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the british are coming

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calling all beings y'all

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yes

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welcome back to calling all beings yeah

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i'm first of all let me apologize to

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everybody that we don't have the whole

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cabbie crew here stream yard has a

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limitation we can only have 10 people on

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screen um so we couldn't have all the

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cabbies here

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they i think deb's gonna be in the chat

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and the chat with you guys i'm not sure

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about kevin uh he may be in the chat but

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uh welcome to calling all beings i'm

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your host dj that is my man money nathan

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here for a very special episode known as

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the british invasion nathan

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i i've tried to hide as much of the

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things as i can i knew that they were

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coming but i don't think i'm prepared

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it's going to be a blast

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prepared for what these people have to

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offer they're smart they're witty

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they're cool they look cool they sound

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cool and they have great takes on ufos

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so we're extremely lucky so with that

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i'm going gonna intro people in

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alphabetical order um i thought that was

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the smart way to do it so let me get

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my beatles crew up yes

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beginning

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with somebody who has uh she has

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provided music for virtually every

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member of cab uh much to our delight and

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and uh we feel very indebted to to her

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uh this young lady uh is is very big on

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the nuap she's a i guess you would say

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an end uap secrecy advocate she is a

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musician she is a music teacher she's

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from lincolnshire and she is an airsoft

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warrior who if she can she'd prefer to

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shoot you in the face mask in order to

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score

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uh so with that uh she uh is

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representing the pride and prejudices

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lizzie bennet today so please welcome

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there's that beautiful lady thank you

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what's up charlotte

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hey how's it going guys good good to see

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you

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on the next person now this gentleman

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right here is playing the role of mr

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bingley in pride and prejudice so

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hopefully he knows who he is he is the

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founder editor-in-chief of liberation

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times baby get up on that and

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support

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it okay he's a senior contributing

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journalist at the daily mail he's based

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in london he's a father he's cool as

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hell and we absolutely have fallen in

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i i christopher i hope you can identify

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with mr bingley to some degree

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um i forget who mr david was pride and

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prejudice come on

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christopher

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i'll do read aheads with you next time

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before we have you on i'm more james

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it's all good man it's all good we're

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very happy you're here cheers uh

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hopefully you have a handy drink there

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uh our next uh guest here that's gonna

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participate as part of the beatles is uh

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this gentleman is playing the role of mr

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darcy of course so yeah you better smile

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smile

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he is from manchester he is a regular

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caller and emailer to that ufo podcast

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uh that is hosted by andy and dan please

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put your hands together for the witty

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the curmudgeonly and the erstwhile mr

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dave smithers

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well thank you very much thank you yes

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that's great that's now i used to speak

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like chris you know but after i watch

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game of thrones i adopted

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i didn't want to put my shirt on you

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know and because i was going to have it

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dripping like mr darcy coming out of the

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that's very kind of you dave and um i

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couldn't wait to have you on man and uh

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you're just a blast i i don't think

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we're going out of school here to say

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that you're probably a front-runner for

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coolest accent uh as voted by the brits

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and the americans we'll have that vote

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at the end

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so anyway our next

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person right here uh is uh this

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gentleman is also a musician he is like

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charlotte is spreading the gift of music

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throughout the uk uh he's been part of a

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professional touring band um and and and

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he is the host of uh the ufo thinker

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podcast he's brought a sense of sort of

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level-headedness and consideration to

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the uap discussion and somebody whom i

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admire he is part of extended

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cab fam you might see an episode of his

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come out on cab here very shortly put

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your hands together for the ufo thinker

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frank

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bolton's own baby

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as well you seriously

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yeah see i'm representing for both sides

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here man i i got i got the british and

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the american represented thank you frank

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it's an honor to have you i got to speak

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with you 24 hours ago it was awesome

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it was fun wasn't it yeah cheers dj

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cheers brother i wish i had a beer right

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now but with these all these medications

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i'm on probably not uh

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last but not least this man is an actor

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a businessman an experiencer father and

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a gentleman who's become beloved and

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connected with

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people from all over the world to

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heal himself and heal them so please uh

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it's good to have you back so that is

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your fifth beetle we didn't want to

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leave peter best out uh

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we wanted to recognize him and and i i

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thought we did that we have ringo starr

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just up if you look up to the right uh

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you're to your right max

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you have uh yeah that's ringo starr up

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so anyway all right so we're going to do

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our round table business uh be be

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succinct uh as you can uh but uh you

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know be full in your explanation but try

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not to reiterate because time is of the

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essence and uh i guess we could just go

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uh what do you want to do nathan you

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want to start with charlotte and just go

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around so i think we have to yeah okay

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charlotte uh if you would go ahead with

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your topic for consideration by your

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brothers and sisters here um

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well i still haven't decided

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i'll go with my um random one

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don't underestimate how rubbish

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governments actually are

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that's my opening statement okay if you

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want me to carry on

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i'll just chuck it out if it's rubbish

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that's fantastic

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okay now it's good should i give you

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some bullets

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absolutely yeah give us basically what

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your topic that you want them to discuss

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considering a lot of people wonder if

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maybe people in the government and

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particularly i'm talking about the us

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are maybe lying about things i would

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like people to discuss whether it's

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possible given how local governments

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certainly in my experience are a bit

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um whether it's possible they're just

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really rubbish and there's not much

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cover up it's just they don't know

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ineffective there's a lot of annual

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leave sick leave people aren't assigned

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who's already busy all that kind of

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is has that led to obfuscation you think

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an explanation for everything but maybe

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it's um something to bear in mind or

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you know can help us think about you

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know because you think oh they're

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perfect they know everything and then

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what but do they mr sharp

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my my talking point is will no you

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so that's going to go around then you're

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you guys you know

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so yeah um on her point

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uk for instance the afghanistan debacle

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of the foreign office whereby people

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were trying to get out and no one was

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actually in the office and answering

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emails from the foreign office so that

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led to people's emails being ignored and

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we'll go on to um mr

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smithers uh dave do you do you find

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anything uh in that that that you want

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to comment on well

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against it they've been consistently

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rubbish for uh 75 years something so

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it's fairly hard to be rubbish and yet

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consistent i would say

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so i think they are pretty rubbish but

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they tend to get a lot better when it

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comes to covering their own backsides

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and generally planning so i think uh our

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governments have

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something but they do tend to become a

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performance at the hearings which i'm

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going to touch on and it would argue

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against them being much better so i

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think they're slow moving they're not

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very good but they can

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pull themselves together around their

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name and this is so important this topic

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they seem to manage their level of

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competence they don't normally manage

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i do think they are a bit overestimated

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so i agree with you there charlotte

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frank my brother

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yeah i think it's quite an interesting

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they are you know not the best a lot of

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the time in terms of organization and

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being able to actually get everybody on

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the same page and and if they are indeed

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covering something up which is you know

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a huge thing like this and they have a

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track record of not necessarily always

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being very good at getting everyone on

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the same page how have they managed to

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cover things up for so long but then

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could say that that is actually could be

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an explanation for why there has been

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various leaks and so many people are

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getting frustrated from the inside so

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that's kind of my little bit of both

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sides of the argument there there i

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think and and you could sort of use that

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concept to think of it a couple of

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frank you could have just said like

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sammy hagar i see both sides now

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if you don't know that song okay

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um yeah

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governments are very very uncoordinated

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and big bureaucracies are complex and

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because of that it's easy to take

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advantage of them um with the complexity

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and lack of communication so i think you

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can hide things within them

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sorry guys it's okay man it's all right

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it's no big thing man you gotta we you

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know nathan has kids i'm sure he's been

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through this uh you got to take care of

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your business frank has children

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i love it i love it that's actually what

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the uh the british uh uh

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ministry looks like it's a live example

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the child is demonstrating party gate

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there for you he's re-enacting it

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this is boris in the meeting

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go ahead go ahead maxie

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that's

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yeah no i think it's pretty obvious if

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we look back through our history there

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are many cases where

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government do know

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a lot they know a lot more than we do

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certainly

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the question is it's a wordplay game

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when people say the government we're

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talking about

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uh

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if it was a private organization it's

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it's would be run a lot better smoother

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less disjointed

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um governments are huge huge number of

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people

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deep compartmentalized

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departmented and so you're gonna have a

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lot of problems with sharing of

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information regardless especially

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because

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in the ways that this stuff could be

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investigated

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they're going to be classifying things

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by default especially as we all know

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because of the way that they collect

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that data sensors

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you know high-end technology that's

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often in the hands of the military

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they're not going to share it for those

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reasons it's very unfortunate

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but i would say

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that yeah you're looking at

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it's not just black and white it's going

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to be great you're probably looking at

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potentially

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intentional

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um cover-ups

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alongside

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a lack of information in the hands of

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the people that are doing the talking to

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the public and so it's a it's very it's

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a very gray area i'm absolutely

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convinced personally

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if you look at i don't know take one

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example kecksburg

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you know that acorn object that came

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down

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and you have the entire local township

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right that talks about the military

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moving in

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and if you look at some of the accounts

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of the people there they were threatened

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to keep quiet

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now if you believe just one out of ten

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people then they're not lying um it

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wouldn't be a surprise

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so of course these things are kept under

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wraps they're kept under cover they

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don't want to share it with you know

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russia or adversaries

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so i can understand to a degree some of

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it but it's so frustrating i wish they

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would just

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share the information with the public

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and try and declassify much much of it

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within reason that is great analysis max

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we're gonna nathan we'll get a check out

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to max on tuesday after the holiday uh

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great day yes

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checks in the mail yeah great job uh so

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we're gonna we're gonna

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go linear here but because you guys are

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lined up and we'll try to stick with

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what we got here and if not we'll go

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back to alphabet but uh frank my brother

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what is your topic man

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yeah so um dr bernard hayes has stated

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publicly that sources have told him that

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there are at least four programs related

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to crash retrieval and reverse

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engineering of ufo craft and jeremy

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corbell has also said the same thing and

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given jeremy's own source network and

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how closely he works with george and app

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that's pretty significant in my book

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ross coltar has also reported on these

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reverse engineering programs and has

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heard this directly from high-level

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individuals such as nat kovitz who ross

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describes as the navy's chief buffing

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and when you add to that the wilson

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notes especially how they were mentioned

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in these recent hearings and more and

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more people have come out and endorsed

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those documents since that to cut a long

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story short it's looking more and more

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like these programs do exist probably in

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close cooperation with private aerospace

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and defense companies so my question is

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first of all do you think these programs

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do exist and if so

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what is the extent of what they've

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actually been able to get hold of and do

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okay now

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if you want uh to

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nathan to avoid getting disjointed the

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alphabetical part of this is um

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it would be charlotte first then

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christopher then dave than frank

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so

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disjointed here and charlotte please

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react to that first

402
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yeah i think on the whole sort of like

403
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issue of crash retrievals and meta

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materials or whatever's being tested

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i've gone from kind of thinking now

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just to the amount of evidence and

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documents and then hearing like you know

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gary nolan talk about it quite down to

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earth saying it's just a matter of

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testing things and we don't even know if

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they're anything weird or not but now

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i'm the same as you frank i think i just

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think there's a lot more to this and

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clearly there's something

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so

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you know eg and g or whatever maybe you

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know and maybe it's not as clandestine

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as we're not letting you have it i don't

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know who knows but it does seem like

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there's something to it i think now yeah

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definitely it's changed me around

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i'd be willing to bet a significant

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amount of money that there is in a

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one-on-one bet with with anyone i'd i

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would i would if i had to wager and i

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knew that i could get a definitive

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answer i'd put a significant amount of

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money on that

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uh

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christopher so we'll go back to our

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order christopher what say you sir

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regarding crash retrieval programs if

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you heard frank's

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that's fine i mean i wasn't fully

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convinced of um the wilson davis memo

436
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before to be fair but now it's being

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confirmed to me by sources that

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it does seem to be legit and that's been

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a major surprise to me i mean um

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yes my boy i'm obviously naysayer in the

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picture now as well as per um the iaa

442
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they're gonna get involved in the effort

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and they've been rumors for a long time

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that the crash retrievals have gone down

445
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to write paterson and being studied by

446
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natick as well which i think really

447
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really interesting um and then going

448
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back to 1933 here

449
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yes the united kingdom

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so the italian craft of 1933 was

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apparently taken to nasik after the war

452
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and i find that really interesting

453
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hopefully we can go back to that

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historic stuff as well yeah

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come on so that's what lou was talking

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about when he said we got craft from the

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italians i didn't order material from

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the italians i didn't know that the the

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the genesis of that but it was crazy

460
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wow correct yeah

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wow

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okay uh next on the list to react to

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that will be dave smathers

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yeah i think there's loads of programs

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actually i think there's been a lot

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going on uh post-war i think there's two

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sets of programs actually i think

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there's a core group of indones

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we've been running programs i think from

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the doa and private industry running

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them right through a lot of weapons

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propulsion

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and i also think there's another set of

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programs from the other armed forces who

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are sort of one of those

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who don't can't quite get into the

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action but know quite a bit and they'd

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run their own programs and i think if

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you look at atip and all that that was

480
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an example of one of those

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actually setting up a program to find

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out what the in the nose do know as it

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were i know that's a lot of no's in that

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sense

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but that's but i do think that i think

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there's a lot of programs been going on

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they don't all necessarily know about

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each other

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but i think there's one set where they

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are the sort of core ones we hear and

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there's other sets that have maybe been

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set up more randomly and so if you

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listen to car to carbel speak he says at

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least four but the implication in what

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he says is maybe 20 maybe more so i

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think we make a mistake in this topic to

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if we don't see the actual conflict

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going on behind the scenes between these

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sort of warring factions and that's

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where disclosure sort of sits in that

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crucible really so

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i think there's a lot of

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competition going on some people not

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telling each other we've got to

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compartmentalize it lization and there's

506
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probably a lot of duplication going on

507
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as well so

508
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it's definitely the history of the topic

509
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when we look back on it when we do get

510
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to know we'll be around conflict and all

511
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these sort of shadow games and we've

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seen the biggest one now with lou

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who seems to be winning the arm

514
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wrestling competition with his faction

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against uh

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the gary reeds of this world and his lot

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that's my view and that's why i think

518
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there's loads of them going on that's i

519
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agree that's really interesting

520
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interesting take i think lou got hints

521
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of some of them i don't know if he knows

522
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all of them uh i don't have any idea how

523
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many there is but that's that's a very

524
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interesting take i absolutely agree dj i

525
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think lou he's trying to desperately get

526
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into the doa stuff that's what him and

527
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chris haven't been in a crack sure and

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that seems to be their target you know

529
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yeah they said it on podcast they they

530
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even laid out program numbers and uh and

531
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title different title 50 programs so no

532
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doubt uh let's go to max uh with that to

533
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tackle that sir

534
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i think that

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um

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again in the same way that it's been

537
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compartmentalized

538
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the people it is very very i mean we're

539
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really hitting the nail on the head

540
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it's been fragmented it's been

541
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um

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people have

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have made sure whether

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this is real or perceived that only

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small pockets of

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individuals have

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deeper knowledge and access

548
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so just looking at the bigger picture

549
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over decades and decades we have far too

550
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many cases of again

551
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even around the world not just in the um

552
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in the us in the uk in australia

553
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everywhere

554
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where once something very um once a uap

555
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:48,559
situation occurs let's say

556
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,919
that military types turn up often us are

557
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,200
involved in that

558
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,440
whether it's the westall

559
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:57,600
primary school incident where there were

560
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,640
british

561
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,760
brazil

562
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,200
yeah

563
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,600
and so there's definitely been a

564
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:06,799
cover-up of some sort and if there's any

565
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,240
if there is any ejecta as jacques valley

566
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,640
called it if there are any

567
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,840
crashed parts retrieved let's say

568
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,600
then it makes sense that they would be

569
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,320
put into private organizations for one

570
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,400
good reason if not many one of those

571
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,640
being freedom of information act

572
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,880
as far as my understanding goes

573
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:29,520
as soon as it goes into private domain a

574
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,320
private organization it's not you're not

575
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,600
able to

576
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,559
foia

577
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,240
information on that right so that's very

578
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,559
convenient isn't it

579
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,159
i think there's a there's other ways

580
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,240
classification alone would would obscure

581
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,159
it from foia so there's that a lot of

582
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,760
people think that that oh that means

583
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,679
it's at lockheed or it means it's there

584
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,440
you can just classify something and you

585
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,360
could foy it yeah you've heard someone

586
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,880
say that the other day you could foy it

587
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,320
until you're dead you're never going to

588
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:56,880
get that information that's not

589
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,840
it's it's i've said this at length it's

590
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,400
putting it in the most secure location

591
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,480
that's buried between many layers of

592
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,200
security so that nobody can get at it

593
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,880
and the best way to do that is to have

594
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,960
it at a facility that is extremely

595
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,799
difficult to get to and some of the

596
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,480
civilian facilities are much easier to

597
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,640
get to than some of the dod facilities

598
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,159
that notwithstanding

599
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:19,919
i think they may have pieces and parts

600
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,880
of things but if there's whole things i

601
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,559
think those things are

602
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,400
are probably in facilities uh like

603
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,640
you've heard about that are underground

604
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:30,799
and all these other things anyway

605
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,400
uh let's move on to christopher

606
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,960
sharp with his topic for the rest of you

607
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,600
to consider

608
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,080
thank you very much um so my topic to

609
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,520
consider is

610
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,440
international disclosure

611
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,919
and collaborative efforts with the likes

612
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,640
of china and russia and getting the five

613
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,039
eyes involved as well and there's two

614
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,240
aspects to this um there's the national

615
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,840
defense authorization

616
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,720
text which states that america must

617
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,960
coordinate with allies and partners

618
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,720
which would probably include the uk and

619
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,440
whatnot um but also the united nations

620
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,799
aspect as well

621
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,039
um with what's being done with project

622
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,520
titan from my understanding

623
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,080
that is currently being delayed due to

624
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,840
the conflict situation um with ukraine

625
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,120
um

626
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:23,679
that i'd love your thoughts

627
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:27,120
in regard to what happened with project

628
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,240
titan

629
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:31,120
and coordination with allies such as the

630
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,000
uk in the upcoming six months let's say

631
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,919
if somebody doesn't know project titan

632
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:40,000
just go over that real quick

633
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,240
okay sure so um it's ice an organization

634
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,400
named isa they set that up

635
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,320
um

636
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,520
the court

637
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,559
the core of which was um

638
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,960
founded in china

639
00:25:06,390 --> 00:24:56,400
um

640
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,400
a the cun which is an italian ufo

641
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,640
organization is they've gone to san

642
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:10,480
marino and they're trying to get san

643
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:19,350
some conferences basically um which

644
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:20,240
would be

645
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,360
um

646
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,600
make the san marino like the geneva of

647
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,000
the ufo world would have these kind of

648
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,679
big kind of

649
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:29,360
meetings between countries and stuff to

650
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:30,480
discuss

651
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:33,200
unidentified aerial phenomena

652
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,320
all right so basically what you're

653
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,279
asking to consider is the effect that

654
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,159
international cooperation to include

655
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,960
countries that are considered you know

656
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,600
not friendly uh to to either the us and

657
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,840
what effect that might have on

658
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,080
disclosure and proliferation of

659
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,000
information to the public is that

660
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,679
basically what you're asking

661
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,279
correct but also actually i'd like to

662
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,640
add to that as well will it bring the

663
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,159
world together will it make the world a

664
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,400
more peaceful place and change

665
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,120
the diplomatic composition let's say

666
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,360
this is heavy lifting charlotte this is

667
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:06,960
like asking you to write strawberry

668
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,549
oh you're on mute you're on mute

669
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,240
sweetheart

670
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,360
that's all right

671
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,360
you're back you're back yeah and i i

672
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,960
knew that titan was to do with the san

673
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,120
marino stuff that's kind of about where

674
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,279
i sit with my knowledge with all this

675
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,840
but yeah i think it's so hard to see

676
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,000
people sharing information because of

677
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,960
weapons race stuff but then like you've

678
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,640
all said earlier you know it's all very

679
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,320
compartmentalized so somebody who's

680
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,279
working on stuff to do with weapons or

681
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,200
testing materials is probably very

682
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,720
separate to the people who are going out

683
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,039
and trying to build links so

684
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,120
i really don't know it's it's so hard to

685
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,520
understand especially from the uk where

686
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:51,120
last we heard they were saying it's a

687
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:52,240
weather phenomenon we don't really

688
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,200
understand what we're going to do

689
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,520
nothing about so how are they going to

690
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,960
get on board with this you know i can

691
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,039
only think of the uk at the moment you

692
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,360
know i think other countries are much

693
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,679
more open and maybe they'll get on board

694
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,559
and it'll help us but for the uk part

695
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:08,720
i just oh it's really hard to imagine

696
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,440
them going oh okay let's yeah let's look

697
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,240
at something weird you know

698
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,120
yeah i i love i love the idea of it i

699
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,799
won't say i got something for

700
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,799
christopher on background that i'll talk

701
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,440
to him about after the show but um

702
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,159
but yeah uh i i think this is a

703
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,039
brilliant idea uh to to get those if if

704
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,080
they could create a network that's apart

705
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,440
from the other

706
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:36,159
sippernet jwix giant all these other

707
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,440
networks where they could share that

708
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,520
information there's no telling what what

709
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,039
you might be able to get out of that but

710
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,640
uh yeah consider that next look at space

711
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,440
right

712
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,279
uh and did you i didn't want me to cut

713
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,640
you off did you have anything further

714
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,159
okay no no no i just thought you know

715
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,520
that space is one thing that we've

716
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,279
worked on and maybe that can happen but

717
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,559
it's the only thing we seem to have

718
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,279
managed to do any good with

719
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,440
great example great examples

720
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,080
um dave yeah i think it's one of the

721
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,919
most incongruous areas this it's like

722
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,440
the piece that doesn't fit isn't it it's

723
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,600
international stuff you can see how they

724
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,080
could get disclosure or you find it out

725
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,840
but when you go international we've all

726
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,360
got the dream of everybody coming

727
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,960
together you know the sort of reagan

728
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:17,039
dream oh another threat and we'll all

729
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,320
come together but

730
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,679
there's a lot of serious issues with

731
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,159
russia and china very despotic regimes

732
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,760
anti-democratic there seems to be that

733
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,200
sort of thing going on without getting

734
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,799
too political but

735
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,799
do we want to share stuff with them how

736
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,960
is it going to happen it seems that the

737
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,720
american government might not come in i

738
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,320
mean i think

739
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,760
the five eyes are coming they've got to

740
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,520
say quite right sir and we'll get along

741
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,039
right or wrong with that program now we

742
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,960
haven't told anybody but now you've said

743
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,320
we'll say as well so i don't think

744
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,640
there'll be a problem from the british

745
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,159
point of view we'll just say quite right

746
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,360
and carry on you know but uh

747
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,120
really oh yes you did mention that but

748
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,520
well yeah anyway but i think when it

749
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,279
comes down to chinese and russian stuff

750
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:56,720
it's like it's a lot tricky and the

751
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,480
question is would it take disclosure to

752
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,960
breed international cooperation uh

753
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,480
rather than the other way around it

754
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,480
might not happen before but it might

755
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,799
happen afterwards and i think it's a big

756
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,799
argument against liberal alexander being

757
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:13,200
some deep cover government agent but

758
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,559
he's really pushed the international

759
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,120
agenda and really gone for it strongly

760
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,640
and it isn't really a government

761
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,080
position and it certainly i wouldn't

762
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,080
have thought the american security

763
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,240
services would have loved that position

764
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,840
yeah he's pushed it because he wants it

765
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:28,159
so i think that's quite a to me that was

766
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,600
a big validation of lou not that i

767
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,919
needed one but and it's a very very

768
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,760
tricky area and i don't think there's

769
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,760
been enough thought about how it would

770
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,760
work and whether we would indeed want to

771
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,679
work with russia or china

772
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,520
i'd certainly have some serious doubts

773
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,440
about that and i'm not particularly on

774
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,600
the hawkish side but you know so yeah i

775
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,039
think it's uh

776
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,720
quite incongruous in the general it's a

777
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,399
lot of it's easy in ufos in terms of

778
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,720
where things sit this is very very

779
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,720
difficult and slippery

780
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,960
hey frank if if you look real closely

781
00:30:00,690 --> 00:29:58,880
can you see george harrison when you

782
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,700
look at dave can it can it

783
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,880
[Laughter]

784
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,200
maybe just a little bit okay okay all

785
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,760
right fair enough fair enough um so

786
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,840
what's your what's your thoughts sir

787
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,000
yeah i mean it's it's an interesting uh

788
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,600
topic in general really with the

789
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,200
international cooperation thing because

790
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,120
obviously here in the uk that you know

791
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,520
the government has basically just said

792
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,360
there's nothing to see here for quite a

793
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:23,200
long time now since pretty much the last

794
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,399
20 years

795
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,240
and um the calm down report and things

796
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,320
like that that there was no national

797
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,720
security concerns and that was basically

798
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,200
the end of the matter you know but it is

799
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,480
something that i've been thinking about

800
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,720
quite a lot as to how our government

801
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,159
here in the uk are actually going to

802
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,880
react to the fact that the american

803
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,640
government are now openly admitting that

804
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,480
there is a national security risk

805
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,159
involved with this and you know even

806
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,159
potentially a risk to commercial flights

807
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,000
as well and things like that it is going

808
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,559
to kind of you know the at least the

809
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,720
public facing side of things in terms of

810
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,480
the uk government's

811
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:58,159
attitude on all this is going to be kind

812
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,399
of dragged kicking and screaming to

813
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,640
catch up with the americans but i think

814
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,880
also behind the scenes as well there

815
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,360
probably is already um you know

816
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,360
strengthening of the cooperation on this

817
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,840
on this issue and in my opinion they're

818
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,000
probably not being open with the public

819
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,440
about the extent of what they've been

820
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,600
doing you know for a while in terms of

821
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,320
uh collaborating with the the americans

822
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,159
and the australians and things like that

823
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,880
um but yeah it sort of makes me think

824
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,159
whether or not they're gonna have to

825
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,840
admit certain things and be more

826
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,600
forthcoming with the public now but

827
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,039
there's not really many signs of that

828
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,960
either at the same time i wrote a letter

829
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,159
to my mp

830
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,760
about three months ago

831
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,080
saying exactly this um you know that

832
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,080
like all right your your attitude is

833
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,519
that there's no national security

834
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,279
concerns how do you feel about the fact

835
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,880
that the american government now our

836
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,039
closest ally that with the special

837
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,679
relationship that we have is is directly

838
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,679
contradicting the official line of the

839
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,919
of the uk government you know so it's

840
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,240
quite tricky from that point of view and

841
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,320
like like dave said as well

842
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,799
with the detentions at the moment with

843
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,880
you know russia china and that kind of

844
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,760
thing

845
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,840
you have to think that the wider

846
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,919
international cooperation is going to be

847
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,840
quite tricky at the moment but you would

848
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,000
i would like to think just to put a

849
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,480
little positive end to it that you know

850
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,399
as charlotte said we have collaborated

851
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:18,000
on the space station and things like

852
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,679
that in the past so you would hope that

853
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,320
with something this serious the the more

854
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:24,000
you know it moves along that there might

855
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,279
be some

856
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,440
collaboration even with adversarial

857
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,039
nations as well

858
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,880
i love it this positive feeling at the

859
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,480
end of the song when are you and

860
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,159
charlotte going to jam together that's

861
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:38,630
got to finish on a you got to finish on

862
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,110
i love it the j.r.r tolkien of uh

863
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,960
of uap media uh

864
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,320
[Music]

865
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,039
so next uh max uh last but not least on

866
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,519
this topic it's max

867
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,279
if we didn't we didn't get you yet right

868
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,320
no no no yeah but um

869
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,919
we've got a double-edged sword don't we

870
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,399
the biggest problem the biggest

871
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,159
roadblock

872
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:06,080
is just the way that human

873
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,200
humans

874
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,039
have progressed even after everything

875
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,559
we've been through over the millennia

876
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,360
right we're still tribal we're still

877
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,519
we draw imaginary lines in the sands and

878
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,440
say this is a country

879
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,120
our country and you can't cross that

880
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,480
border and

881
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,200
we're one race we're human beings on one

882
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,120
planet on a rock floating through space

883
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,440
and i just cannot for the life of me

884
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,440
understand some people's mentality is

885
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:31,039
just far too

886
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,240
tribal tribal instinct still we need to

887
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,240
start looking at it more of a we're all

888
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,840
human beings we may speak different

889
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,600
languages we have different skin tones

890
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,559
who cares we're just humans

891
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,559
so it's it's the class is the classic

892
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:46,320
problem of

893
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,840
we still have tyrants running nations

894
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:50,960
and

895
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:53,679
until until everybody's reading from the

896
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,440
same song sheet the same hymn page

897
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,159
until we get everybody to collaborate

898
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:02,799
with one objective in mind instead of

899
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,760
being separated imaginary separation all

900
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,960
the time

901
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,760
um classification itself

902
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,359
has a purpose

903
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:13,679
but it comes from a position of

904
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,119
somewhat paranoia a lot of the time

905
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,800
you can't you can't please all of the

906
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:20,159
people all the time you're gonna you're

907
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,760
always gonna have some bad apples that

908
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,919
want to harm other people i get that so

909
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,520
you have you have to

910
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,760
you have to classify you have to protect

911
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,919
your people okay

912
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,639
but let's just put it this way

913
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:34,879
all of the data that's out there from

914
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:37,839
geospatial organizations from nasa

915
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,480
you've got all of these sensors that

916
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,879
absolutely must have

917
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,960
information that would prove one way or

918
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,240
the other that these things are coming

919
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,560
in from deep space into our atmosphere

920
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,200
the data exists there's no question

921
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,800
but

922
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:54,320
we need we're not going to get them to

923
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,440
share it because it's under

924
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,599
classification

925
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,200
so if people do

926
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,520
have an international effort to share

927
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:04,160
information all they're going to share

928
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:05,760
is their own

929
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,710
evidence

930
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,480
unfortunately so again the biggest

931
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,960
roadblock is classification i see it has

932
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,880
a purpose i get that but it's

933
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,480
unfortunately the one thing that stops

934
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,160
us collaborating properly and solving

935
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:22,160
this quicker can you imagine if just for

936
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,200
one day

937
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:25,280
hey max we got to be succinct we don't

938
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,800
have that much time left so you got to

939
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,800
get your and here's the other thing he

940
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,560
said you got to end the song happy

941
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:32,079
remember frank just taught you how to

942
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,280
write a song

943
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,880
there's no charge there's no charge for

944
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,960
that

945
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,560
so i think the whole world should come

946
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,920
together

947
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:40,960
and

948
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,119
just be open

949
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,040
don't worry about paranoid stuff don't

950
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,560
worry about the bad guys let's just

951
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,480
share everything and then everybody can

952
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:52,000
get the answers we've all been waiting

953
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,280
for

954
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,079
oh and nobody gets charged if they come

955
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,160
forward with information

956
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,160
yeah and i think you made a great a

957
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,880
great point there because there uh uh

958
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,640
there is there are certain types of like

959
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,160
geospatial intelligence they're not

960
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,240
going to share that imagery but but

961
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,480
there still is a lot of room for other

962
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,400
other types of information that would

963
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:14,880
breed the relationship that chris is

964
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,359
looking for that would bring a sense of

965
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:19,599
togetherness while still maintaining

966
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:20,560
certain

967
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,359
are separate from the rest

968
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,359
say oh we got a couple i come together

969
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:29,920
right now there's debs and laura salsa

970
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,200
all right so uh now it is mr smithers

971
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,640
again we got to be uh be succinct and

972
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:38,560
what should i say dj

973
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,310
calm down

974
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,079
no i'll give you anyway no actually

975
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,640
enunciates the fear of your degree uh

976
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:52,160
yeah basically

977
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,200
imagine

978
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,280
you've got old brain was it mulray they

979
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,040
had done the snow job they've gone well

980
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,720
just from any old thing telling them we

981
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,640
don't know anything just refers to the

982
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,040
uap thing oh yeah just him out the june

983
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:05,040
report yeah they'll fall for that no

984
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,400
problem anyway they come out an hour

985
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,280
later senator gillebrand throws a chair

986
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,640
out one of the windows apparently

987
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,880
according to lou so she comes out

988
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,599
hopping mad with uh rubio and they say

989
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,200
right how we're gonna nail these people

990
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,560
to the floor

991
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,160
and this is what i do today and i see

992
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,560
what you guys think i would insist

993
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,280
on a brief person from each organization

994
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,880
mentioning the amendment

995
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,280
to testify on the info they have in

996
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,079
their department that might be 17 people

997
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,440
then i call the head of aoimsg an answer

998
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,040
on staff numbers

999
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,119
identify structure and functions what

1000
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,800
liaison links they've established and

1001
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:42,000
the planning

1002
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,599
what are the scientific and recovery

1003
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,200
functions they've set up

1004
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,440
what work have they done today what's

1005
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,839
the action plan for the next 12 months

1006
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,520
and what's the plan to deliver on the

1007
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,200
past info you haven't disclosed which

1008
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,880
was very clear there

1009
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:57,119
i'd ask him uh what are the structure

1010
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,640
and contents of the report going to be

1011
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,079
in october

1012
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,320
uh i'd insist on public enclosed

1013
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,480
sessions obviously i look at immunity

1014
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,680
and if i've got no answers i'd call

1015
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,839
alexander mellon and davis that's a bit

1016
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,000
of a facetious one at the end the point

1017
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,720
is that's how i'd nail him down though

1018
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,280
those things i've just said ask the 17

1019
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,359
people get brief people and then get

1020
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,720
their head and answer because that was

1021
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,000
the thing they didn't do in the last

1022
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,720
hearings he didn't really got some great

1023
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,520
stuff but he didn't really scrutinize

1024
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,680
him which was a big critique really so i

1025
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,880
wonder what everybody for what would

1026
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,760
they do or what did he think of that or

1027
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:33,119
what do you think might happen next i

1028
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:34,320
suppose you can answer any way you want

1029
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,390
oh

1030
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,589
yeah i'm struggling to understand the

1031
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,880
question there was about five in there

1032
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:48,880
one that was really good so like about

1033
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,480
testifying immunity

1034
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,720
all that kind of thing yeah so

1035
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,240
sum it up dave

1036
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,160
yeah basically

1037
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,280
if you if you wanted to do the next uh

1038
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,960
if you watch all the feats of the fire

1039
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,520
next time yeah what approach would you

1040
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,880
take generally how would you go would

1041
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,560
you go in hard or would you do the same

1042
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,160
thing or what would you do i mean i've

1043
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,400
been very specific there but it's just

1044
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,960
i think um i like what i've seen already

1045
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,040
of the congress people just sort of

1046
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,760
saying you know no no but answer it

1047
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,599
answer it cannot be put on the record i

1048
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,680
think that's really encouraging a start

1049
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,119
and i think just not letting them off

1050
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,200
the hook and keeping on with it at them

1051
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,680
and keeping getting ronald moultrie in

1052
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,400
and

1053
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,839
come on where's the info where's the

1054
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,839
info putting pressure so that then he

1055
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,839
has to put pressure on below him you

1056
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,839
know to get the answers you know just

1057
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,119
try and keep asking them and i think

1058
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,320
yeah and people in the public trying to

1059
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,160
you know contact their congress people

1060
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,640
and their mps and whoever because then

1061
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,920
they realize this is something i'm going

1062
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,079
to get elected on or not maybe i don't

1063
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,320
know if that's a realistic thing but

1064
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,680
you know i just think yeah what they're

1065
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,599
doing in america just hold the feet to

1066
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,240
the fire you know make them squirm and

1067
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,760
try and get them to talk more and more

1068
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,880
and just try and sort of you know

1069
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,119
reassure them at the same time that you

1070
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,440
you know you can tell us stuff you know

1071
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,680
we're not going to fall apart

1072
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,720
but yeah

1073
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,839
i don't know i i love that i love that

1074
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,240
it's it's because uh there's a lot of

1075
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,440
people that i speak with in the

1076
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,440
community that say what you say what are

1077
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,520
you afraid of tell me yeah i mean

1078
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,119
everybody on this panel is like that you

1079
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,960
know it's like no matter what you've

1080
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,200
discovered i'm ready for it and other

1081
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:27,440
people they would absolutely go out and

1082
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,160
buy

1083
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,480
ten truckloads of toilet paper and they

1084
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,040
can't even can't even be um honest about

1085
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,560
what they're being dishonest about you

1086
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,240
know like can we not talk about that

1087
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:37,599
because that is some of our secret

1088
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,480
projects

1089
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,800
you know just give us that even or

1090
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,119
something it's just like just they seem

1091
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,280
to be just in this culture of lying for

1092
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,040
the sake of it

1093
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:49,839
yeah and uh i i that's a great great

1094
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:52,960
answer on your part who is next it is mr

1095
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,270
hi there um i'm so apologies you're

1096
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,280
freaking see here peppa pig my son's

1097
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,119
here sorry um

1098
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,280
so why would you i'd go to the legacy

1099
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,280
program straight away and call lu up to

1100
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:09,280
testify really really put the pressure

1101
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:13,040
full on bypass aom ice isg for now

1102
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,440
um and go straight for wilson davis memo

1103
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,599
get lou speak out

1104
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:20,720
that will

1105
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,200
put immense pressure on the dod and it

1106
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,599
will have no option

1107
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,560
then

1108
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,440
to actually um participate with you know

1109
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,000
with what congress is trying to do um so

1110
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,839
that's how you do it you blow this wide

1111
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,680
open basically from the historic stuff

1112
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,280
the legacy programs

1113
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,640
when you're doing that as well you

1114
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,319
actually prove that there have been

1115
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,920
obligation efforts and it's been hidden

1116
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,440
by congress

1117
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,920
congress will go

1118
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,720
and

1119
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,319
yeah there'll be there'll be a lot of

1120
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,040
pressure on dod to actually cooperate so

1121
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:55,599
that's what i think should happen and uh

1122
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,190
i love it man great uh

1123
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,079
great job and next is

1124
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,079
uh mr s

1125
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,599
mother straight

1126
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:09,920
no frank oh no was his oh it's frank

1127
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:12,960
sorry frank my brother here i am

1128
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,920
um yeah so i i think there's kind of two

1129
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,480
you know areas that will that will but

1130
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,319
i'm going to be keeping an eye on anyway

1131
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,160
that are kind of emerging

1132
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,640
i think the uh the first one is the the

1133
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,560
current efforts that are underway with

1134
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,040
the aoi msg or whatever it ends up being

1135
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,680
renamed as as you know as we go along

1136
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,839
and i think that was kind of what i was

1137
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,400
mostly expecting to hear asked about

1138
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,079
where are they up to what they've done

1139
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,640
so far and all this kind of thing and i

1140
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,319
think probably that's what bray and

1141
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,000
moultrie are probably expecting to get

1142
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,240
asked about as well but actually the

1143
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,839
other area that

1144
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,760
ended up coming out was the the more

1145
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,839
historic things and the wider aspects of

1146
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,240
the the ufo topic which is quite clear

1147
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,520
that the people in

1148
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,520
the congressional committee they were

1149
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,599
very interested in that wider picture

1150
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,520
and i think it's going to be fascinating

1151
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,680
to see how both of those things i'd like

1152
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,079
to just see more in-depth questions more

1153
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,240
follow-up questions on both of those

1154
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,640
things you know like chris just said the

1155
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,920
some of the historic things with the

1156
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,400
wilson memo and malmstrom air force base

1157
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,839
and things like that those could be

1158
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,839
absolutely massive stories and if we if

1159
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,079
we do get more kind of digging into

1160
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,920
those it could be blow the whole thing

1161
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,319
wide open and at the same time keep the

1162
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,680
pressure on with what they're currently

1163
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,560
doing with this new uap office and where

1164
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,480
they're up to what they've done so far i

1165
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:32,000
think we just need to focus on both of

1166
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,359
those areas

1167
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,440
i i tried to get lou to yuck it up with

1168
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,160
me and talk and uh i would be moultrie

1169
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:40,079
and he'd be the other guy and we'd say

1170
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,200
and we'd say

1171
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,640
uh maelstrom nuclear

1172
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,880
nuclear missiles i have you heard that

1173
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,160
nathan have you heard anything about

1174
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,720
nuclear missiles at 67 what are we

1175
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,160
talking about

1176
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,119
yeah

1177
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,880
that's exactly right that is that we

1178
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,280
could made a saturday night live skit he

1179
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,520
could be david spade i'd be uh what's

1180
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,599
the other guy's name chris the fat guy i

1181
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,880
could have been him and we could have

1182
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:07,040
pulled that off i mean that is the

1183
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,480
dumbest thing well i i i've heard it

1184
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,119
unofficially but not that like that

1185
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,040
tears away at your credibility it's so

1186
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,119
absurd that you could say you haven't

1187
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,960
heard of that when there's obviously

1188
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,440
very official records that i'm sure

1189
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:23,040
they're privy to on that

1190
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:24,000
anyway

1191
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,880
uh

1192
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,319
who's next so

1193
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,240
uh is that the

1194
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,240
last one or we have maxie

1195
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,109
be succinct

1196
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,880
yes i believe

1197
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,240
what i would do

1198
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,880
is definitely offer amnesty

1199
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,200
as harry p nolan had suggested uh

1200
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,440
amnesty over any other protective

1201
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:47,040
wording let's say

1202
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:48,160
and

1203
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,000
a definite must is we bring on camille

1204
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,280
vasquez and all of johnny depp's team of

1205
00:44:59,309 --> 00:44:56,960
lawyers

1206
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,319
absolutely smash them with the

1207
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,880
cross-examinations

1208
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,200
they wouldn't last five minutes

1209
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,880
that's my suggestion i was thinking

1210
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,280
amnesty international boomtown raps bob

1211
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,680
geldoff the whole thing right

1212
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,000
anyway yeah that's what's up charlotte

1213
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,200
okay

1214
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:14,720
all right uh

1215
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,920
frank your topic please sir and uh again

1216
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,520
uh brevity

1217
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,119
i think he actually went he went before

1218
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,560
when we swapped out

1219
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,240
okay so it's uh

1220
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:26,960
max has the last topic then right

1221
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,760
yeah okay max go for it brother

1222
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,160
um i didn't actually i didn't know we

1223
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,640
had topics so i'm just going to say that

1224
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,960
one thing that bothers me the most

1225
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,480
and ask this question of the panel if

1226
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,800
you don't mind

1227
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,319
what do you think the connection is

1228
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,880
between what we call paranormal

1229
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,359
and ufos and why

1230
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,800
because so many people after an

1231
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,240
interaction have

1232
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:51,760
poltergeists and everything else happen

1233
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,200
to them and even before the uh

1234
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:56,960
the encounter that say

1235
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,190
i found my mute button now yeah

1236
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,520
500 mic but i don't know

1237
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,920
i know i know that's totally me all over

1238
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,400
yeah um yeah it's an interesting one i

1239
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,200
was reviewing that um the ufo sightings

1240
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,960
that i did the report on last year that

1241
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,960
i was talking to you about on the chat

1242
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,280
about maybe as a topic

1243
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,839
and then out of all four i could only

1244
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,920
find out information about three of them

1245
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,760
and every single person had already seen

1246
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,599
stuff before and one guy actually said i

1247
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:29,200
keep seeing these objects again and

1248
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,079
again

1249
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,839
so it just kind of reminded me that a

1250
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,599
lot of people do see these things once

1251
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,160
you've seen one you know i have yet to

1252
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,760
have that although i've seen a ghost and

1253
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,920
then didn't see other ghosts so maybe

1254
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,520
that's part of the same thing we don't

1255
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,440
know do we but yeah it's a really

1256
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,599
interesting thing isn't it it's clearly

1257
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,359
you know it's just not what we thought

1258
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,240
it's not like alien ufo crafts in the

1259
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,640
sky and that's it is it it's clearly

1260
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,560
something more to it and i think that's

1261
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,640
so intriguing you know whether it's part

1262
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:59,359
of our consciousness or something else

1263
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,160
or

1264
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,680
you know it's just so hard it's so out

1265
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,839
of our realm of normal stuff isn't it to

1266
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,920
get as well but really fascinating so

1267
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,920
yeah i don't know what to make of all

1268
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,079
that i just think it's really cool but

1269
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,680
all these things could be part of the

1270
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,240
same thing as with all nature

1271
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,599
you know

1272
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,160
nathan's big on this one man he's he's

1273
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:20,079
he's chomping at the bitter right now uh

1274
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,400
and next is mr sharp please

1275
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,160
so i'm going to go really really woo on

1276
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,160
you guys now um

1277
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,640
so firstly i think there's

1278
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,480
big technological and scientific leaks

1279
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,640
to make in terms of um

1280
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,079
quantum theory which we don't fully

1281
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:37,839
understand things like spooky actual

1282
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,720
distance and i think once we've mastered

1283
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,960
all that stuff the paranormal may become

1284
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,280
normal um

1285
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:48,079
but also i would say

1286
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:50,839
my theory personally is that

1287
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,240
um uap is a bit of everything and i

1288
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,839
think there's an ultra-terrestrial

1289
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,000
aspect to it hence why these things are

1290
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,640
seen coming out of the ocean um dave did

1291
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,720
a brilliant um article

1292
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,800
um website about it in terms of crypto

1293
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:06,400
terrestrials for example

1294
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,000
um but perhaps we're kind of like

1295
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,599
that they're quite indifferent to us

1296
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:14,880
let's say and that we're being used by

1297
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,000
um by let's say these crypto

1298
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,520
ultra-terrestrials and there's another

1299
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:23,599
kind of like speeches let's say

1300
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:24,559
um

1301
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,309
responsible let's say for a lot of these

1302
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,359
paranormal experiences and these podcast

1303
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,280
experiences and stuff that feed off

1304
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,240
negative energy and that yeah we're kind

1305
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,319
of like cannon fodder used by something

1306
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,640
else um that's just totally woo that's

1307
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:44,960
me going out there uh not informed by

1308
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,920
any sources at all so um take that with

1309
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,079
a pinch of salt but that's my

1310
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,520
personal theory

1311
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,280
well that thing that deborah gorgon from

1312
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,880
stranger things is that part of this i'm

1313
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,400
just kidding it's

1314
00:49:02,740 --> 00:48:59,440
anyway you haven't seen stranger things

1315
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:02,750
this weekend i didn't get anything

1316
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,670
all right uh let's bring in mr s uh

1317
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,119
smothers please

1318
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,880
uh yeah we were a [\h__\h] i presume we're

1319
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,400
running a bit short of time so we won't

1320
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,720
go too too i won't go into the old

1321
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,240
crypts or terrestrial things but i think

1322
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,400
there's two splits basically

1323
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,200
uh first one is the ufos uh i've

1324
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,280
obviously got some kind of tech

1325
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,880
associated with consciousness and the

1326
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,359
manipulation of matter maybe using

1327
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,640
consciousness

1328
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,319
and as a whole that whole slide nine

1329
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,040
thing going on with ufos in this what

1330
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,480
our reality is

1331
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,240
obviously can manipulate stuff so

1332
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,480
there's that going on and i think a lot

1333
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,480
of the phenomena at skinwalk and all

1334
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,800
that are all linked and potentially part

1335
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,319
of the same sort of tech and what's

1336
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,079
happening there i mean there's a whole

1337
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,000
thing about that so i think there's that

1338
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:54,720
so an advanced whatever they are unknown

1339
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,680
sieve who can manipulate reality and the

1340
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,599
tech uses that but on the other hand

1341
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:01,599
there's also layers of sort of reality

1342
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,319
as well above our own if you take a dmt

1343
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:06,079
trip and not that i do that or something

1344
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,520
like that

1345
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,040
you know

1346
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,440
just in case of doubt but where you meet

1347
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,760
these entities and there's all the other

1348
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,119
side of it where maybe we have this

1349
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,520
reality on top of our reality where we

1350
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,200
have these creatures coming into our

1351
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,800
reality so i think you might have two

1352
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,680
hits

1353
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,520
rather than one you've got technological

1354
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,680
manipulation using consciousness and

1355
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,200
that sort of thing like chris was

1356
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,079
implying and you've also got this sort

1357
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,319
of realm of realities that are about

1358
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,240
consciousness but don't really cross

1359
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,800
over or occasionally do so i think

1360
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,800
you're dealing with these two things and

1361
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,720
that's why uh someone like whitley

1362
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,800
streiber sounds so weird

1363
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,880
because uh i can't follow him a lot of

1364
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,040
the time but he goes into both

1365
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,040
these areas and he sort of mixes them up

1366
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:51,040
and he sort of blows our minds really

1367
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,480
but so that's

1368
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:53,760
that's what i think that was a really

1369
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,319
good question that max and really tricky

1370
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,400
one i think

1371
00:51:03,349 --> 00:50:59,839
nathan

1372
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,359
send that man a 50 off tesco coupon

1373
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:04,880
please you got it

1374
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,870
and

1375
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,520
let's see that's everybody or no dude

1376
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:14,559
yeah

1377
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,559
intense one that um and very good very

1378
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,480
difficult to just sum up in a like a

1379
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,000
reshark we'll probably do like a couple

1380
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,440
of hours podcast on that alone but i i

1381
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,040
think it's um

1382
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,200
the the whatever's going on with ufos

1383
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:33,359
probably has a lot of different aspects

1384
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,480
uh some kind of quantum realm outside of

1385
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:38,319
our normal perception like a super

1386
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,440
spectrum type of idea and um it's like

1387
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,599
um gary nolan and a few other people

1388
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,200
have said that it's a bit like a switch

1389
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,880
or like using a muscle that you didn't

1390
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,559
know you had and you can have like a

1391
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:50,160
really shocking experience when you

1392
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,960
first

1393
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,559
you know witness something experience

1394
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,480
something and then that opens up the

1395
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,559
actual ability to be able to do that

1396
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:59,200
more going forward and just uh quickly

1397
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,079
as well

1398
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,559
i know we're short on time but um

1399
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,800
max was saying about uh how you can

1400
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,960
sometimes have these things happen like

1401
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,880
strange paranormal things happen before

1402
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,599
you have that shocking experience and

1403
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,520
again this is pretty out there but sort

1404
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,440
of like um i've heard it described where

1405
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,920
big events can actually have like send

1406
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,920
ripples through time forward and

1407
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,920
backwards in time and there may be an

1408
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,440
element of consciousness that can

1409
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,680
actually pick up on that the impact of

1410
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,839
that event before it happens and that

1411
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:29,760
perhaps is linked somehow to some of

1412
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,240
these strange experiences paranormal

1413
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,079
events and things that can actually come

1414
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,720
before an experience and then also after

1415
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,640
so yeah i hope that makes sense in the

1416
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,079
short time i've got but that's my

1417
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,599
thoughts on it

1418
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,400
no you know what ufo thinker everybody

1419
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,559
uh check it out that's one of the

1420
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,760
reasons why

1421
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:49,040
uh

1422
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:50,240
all right i think

1423
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,040
right

1424
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,920
yes this is great man thank you brother

1425
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,920
um all right so i think that's it for

1426
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,839
the beatles right

1427
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,480
yeah ever you guys i mean knocked it out

1428
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,720
of the park uh the stones are probably

1429
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,680
quaking

1430
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,520
in their boots or loafers whatever they

1431
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,680
wear i don't know uh but great job and

1432
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,400
great to have all of you with us today

1433
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,480
so uh and please stick around uh you

1434
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,920
know and maybe not everybody in the

1435
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,040
stream you are but if you get a chance

1436
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,480
to stick around in the chat that'd be

1437
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:18,240
awesome to uh show these guys some

1438
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,520
support who has the coolest accent uh of

1439
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,800
the group

1440
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:24,880
who's voting

1441
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:38,069
yeah

1442
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:57,990
you're having a laugh oh blimey governor

1443
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,710
chris you have the coolest accent of the

1444
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,280
beatles man congratulations sir

1445
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,160
uh thank you for being awesome love you

1446
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,359
uh we do have a stand in uh to come in

1447
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,440
for anna witty because apparent anly

1448
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,839
anna witty so davey johnston is in so

1449
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,280
those of you who haven't met him and

1450
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:17,920
heard him uh i was able to get him while

1451
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,359
uh frank was uh was talking earlier so

1452
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,440
thank you very much beatles thank you

1453
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:25,200
guys and thank you

1454
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,950
peace

1455
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:33,829
yeah

1456
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,880
davey johnston i love it

1457
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,119
wait there we go

1458
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,760
the rolling stones yeah

1459
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,160
all right we're gonna intro all you guys

1460
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,920
we're gonna take a five

1461
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:48,000
a quick bathroom break we're gonna come

1462
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,440
back for those of you that are in the

1463
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,119
chat we're gonna take quick five and

1464
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,799
come back and we have

1465
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,240
davey standing where the only thing

1466
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,720
we're waiting on is dan right

1467
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,240
yeah he was here a second ago in our

1468
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:00,480
chat so he'll jump back in okay

1469
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,520
okay so uh let's take five and we'll see

1470
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,160
you guys shortly davey for you all you

1471
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,240
have to come up with is one topic for

1472
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:10,400
the group to consider and then we'll go

1473
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,599
round table and you'll react to the the

1474
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,040
topics of the other members of the

1475
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,960
stones and they'll react to your topic

1476
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,240
that looked like you had a beer there so

1477
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,160
i'm really excited about that all right

1478
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,920
oh no okay

1479
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:24,079
all right definitely a bit all right

1480
00:57:23,670 --> 00:55:25,599
we'll be right back on calling all

1481
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,309
hey guys uh i'm back uh those guys are

1482
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:29,119
on break uh nathan is going to take over

1483
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,640
the hosting

1484
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,960
duties and all you have to worry about

1485
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,040
is some probably very inane commentary

1486
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,680
from me in between uh

1487
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,520
but other than that you're going to get

1488
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,599
a more sober intellectual and more

1489
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,760
focused individual it's good

1490
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,280
my brother so

1491
00:57:48,310 --> 00:57:47,280
uh cheers everybody to the rolling

1492
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,320
stones yes

1493
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:51,440
[Laughter]

1494
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,799
all right well i think they're all here

1495
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,319
when if you want to do those intros then

1496
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:57,040
we'll bring them on baby let's get it

1497
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,240
going

1498
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:02,549
all right so

1499
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,760
um i'd like to well i gotta change it up

1500
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,640
now because i have i have davey so i'm

1501
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,520
going to introduce this gentleman as uh

1502
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,640
he is a competitive cyclist over there

1503
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,640
he has just gotten his yoga teaching

1504
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,000
certificate so he is a stone cold yogi

1505
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,319
uh like myself who i hope to be able to

1506
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,960
practice with when i come over in the uk

1507
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,119
uh to the uk he's very passionate about

1508
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:29,760
the topic as we all are this amazing

1509
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,559
topic that has brought us all together

1510
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:36,799
uh from from different parts of not only

1511
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,839
the uk uh but the us and uh now we've

1512
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,280
become friends because we love the

1513
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:43,359
phenomenon so uh please let me introduce

1514
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,069
hey everybody thank you davey hey no

1515
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,079
problem just to let you know that um 10

1516
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:53,920
minutes ago when i got your message dj i

1517
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,040
was in the bath so

1518
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,799
at least you're clean and we needed a

1519
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,480
new york shirt we needed a yorkshire

1520
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,079
accent vinnie would have requested that

1521
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:04,880
anyway so uh so we got that uh fabulous

1522
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:07,680
so uh now uh so for the next person from

1523
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:10,720
the kingdom of wayla's uh this gentleman

1524
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,400
is uh playing the role of mary bennett

1525
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,720
in our frightening french and it's he's

1526
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,640
he's serious he's over playing those

1527
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:20,799
concertos uh

1528
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,440
but he is uh the host of his new show

1529
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,400
coloring outside the lines

1530
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,480
uh a lot of people are very very jazzed

1531
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:31,040
uh about this new show for good reason

1532
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,400
dan has become

1533
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,680
a pretty famous uh uh as a result of

1534
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,680
being on that ufo podcast as co-host

1535
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,160
with andy chillin with mcgrillen we have

1536
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:43,599
three members of uap media uk here so

1537
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,200
party people put them hands together

1538
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:49,680
for i tell you it took us three times to

1539
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,040
get this brother on the show

1540
00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:55,359
put them together for dan

1541
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,850
zetterstrom the signal

1542
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,160
[Music]

1543
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,200
hello hello hello welcome dan

1544
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,880
thank you for for having me and for

1545
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,640
inviting me third time lucky is the

1546
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:08,559
charm that's right um i was gonna

1547
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,000
pretend to be on mute there and just

1548
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,160
give you guys something but uh no i

1549
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,079
didn't do it i uh

1550
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:16,079
yeah i love it the sense of humor you're

1551
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,599
bringing it already plenty of show left

1552
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,079
for that to happen too awesome yeah it's

1553
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,680
the first and i and i hope there's

1554
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,520
nothing uh stupid that i do that makes

1555
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,359
it the last time you come on

1556
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,119
because it took it took me a year to get

1557
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,960
you the first time but no it's it's

1558
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,640
wonderful to have again all kidding

1559
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:31,520
aside

1560
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:34,319
i really appreciate it uh and uh let's

1561
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,079
see who do we have next alphabetically

1562
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:38,960
speaking uh this gentleman right here uh

1563
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:41,440
is the outrage of bebenberg of of this

1564
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,839
this this particular episode right here

1565
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,559
he is from the kingdom of northumbria uh

1566
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:49,280
he is an author ufos before roswell and

1567
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,720
his latest book called uh uf uh what is

1568
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:55,280
it called flying saucer fever aerial

1569
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:00,160
encounters 1950 1952 it just came out uh

1570
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,559
this man is a total gentleman he does

1571
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,040
have a little bit of snark uh he did get

1572
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:06,799
into it he wrestled with nathan a little

1573
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,680
bit about the jacques valet and uh and

1574
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,720
uh what's that other woman's name uh

1575
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,119
i can't remember that book the shock

1576
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:16,960
valet book it was wonderful to watch

1577
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,280
harris was that yeah

1578
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,520
harris thank you very much so

1579
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:23,760
party people put your hands together for

1580
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,079
the return of mr graham randall alright

1581
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:33,270
the rolling stones

1582
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,799
i'm watching your grandpa

1583
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:36,720
i'm gonna i'm gonna drop it i'm gonna

1584
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:46,150
is that a geordie accent that you have

1585
01:02:03,270 --> 01:01:55,910
you

1586
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:03,280
welcome

1587
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,400
thank you

1588
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:06,720
um our next guest uh next member of the

1589
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,240
rolling stones uh is uh actually yeah uh

1590
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,400
this man is playing the villainous mr

1591
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,319
wickham the double

1592
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,720
dealing mr wickham who was working

1593
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:19,280
behind mr darcy's back hunting down

1594
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:21,520
girls with money he is

1595
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,559
the william shakespeare of ufo twitter

1596
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:27,359
okay he is also a member of the ufo uh

1597
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,119
uap media uk

1598
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,079
and professional skateboarder researcher

1599
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:35,440
writer podcaster and his show from the

1600
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,319
time he started has absolutely blown up

1601
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:40,559
he has had on the who's who

1602
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:44,000
in in all of the the ufo topic including

1603
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:45,359
he

1604
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,319
got elizondo for us baby so put your

1605
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:50,960
hands together for my brother who i talk

1606
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:54,400
to on a weekly basis much to his chagrin

1607
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,640
vinny adams yes

1608
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,880
good to be here man thank you dj good to

1609
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:02,640
see you nathan davey good to meet you

1610
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:04,960
man and uh and my fellow colleagues here

1611
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,710
thank you mister we're not gonna ask how

1612
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:12,240
much you guys are cuddling when it was

1613
01:03:16,850 --> 01:03:13,680
cold down there in columbia at night

1614
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:25,270
[Laughter]

1615
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,950
so everybody say hi to davey does

1616
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:29,119
anybody not know davey johnston

1617
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,559
we've not met but

1618
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,400
really good to meet you man but one day

1619
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,240
we'll one day we'll go skating together

1620
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,160
vinnie so that's my background

1621
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,720
there we are nice amazing yeah yeah he's

1622
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:40,799
a profe i guess you were a cyclist of

1623
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,280
note uh mountain cyclist and road

1624
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,960
cyclist as well

1625
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:46,799
yeah a bit of everything of off-road bit

1626
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,680
of on-road all sorts of silly stuff but

1627
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,280
before that was a skateboarder as well

1628
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,589
i love it i'm so honored to have you

1629
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,799
guys here i'm going to turn this over

1630
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,480
nathan i'm going to shut the hell up

1631
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,319
except for some ridiculous commentary in

1632
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:02,079
between all right so i think you guys

1633
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:03,280
saw a little bit of the last session

1634
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,640
with the beatles we're going to go

1635
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:06,400
around everybody gets the topic and then

1636
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,680
everybody gets a chance to respond to

1637
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:09,119
that we're going to try our best to go

1638
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:11,119
into alphabetical order uh with the

1639
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:13,039
topics and responses so with that being

1640
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:14,480
said let's get started we're gonna start

1641
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:17,440
with dan dana put you up here

1642
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,880
kick us off

1643
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:21,520
hey hey okay so i have a a number of

1644
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:23,920
different topics i'm gonna start with

1645
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:26,410
discussing if birds are real i think

1646
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:29,119
[Laughter]

1647
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:30,559
all right that's enough from dan

1648
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:37,589
i didn't know dan was gonna bring the

1649
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,839
comedy

1650
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,520
baby so i i thought we'd start with we

1651
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,920
we saw some new footage this week and

1652
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,200
there's been a lot of debate over

1653
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,280
whether that footage even showed

1654
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:49,680
anything anomalous but the point i'd

1655
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,000
like to bring in is whether

1656
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:54,240
one bit of footage is gonna be enough to

1657
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:57,359
tip this anyway or whether we're kind of

1658
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:59,200
we should be looking at a preponderance

1659
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,720
of evidence throughout the history of

1660
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,880
the subject instead of looking so one

1661
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:04,960
video that may or may not be in front of

1662
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,359
us so i wanted everyone to kind of chime

1663
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,000
in on whether they think you know we've

1664
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,160
heard about a 23-minute video for

1665
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,400
example that shows you know these craft

1666
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,160
in some detail

1667
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,799
would that solve the debate at all

1668
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:20,799
if we were to be able to you know even

1669
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,000
if it had windows and we could see

1670
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:23,680
occupants some some people might say

1671
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,039
that it's cg or something like that and

1672
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,200
i i personally think that any bit of

1673
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,079
footage that could be brought out would

1674
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,400
just it would be torn apart on on social

1675
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:36,880
media as happens so i'd like to hear

1676
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:39,760
what you guys think of that uh yeah

1677
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:42,079
awesome thanks dan all right davey uh

1678
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,760
let's let's get you

1679
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:45,359
let's get you up here sorry i had to

1680
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:46,400
move that comment to get them on there

1681
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,359
we go

1682
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,160
no problem i don't think any single

1683
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,720
video recording photograph

1684
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,880
body part lump of metal would ever be

1685
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:59,029
there is always going to be somebody who

1686
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:00,960
goes now it's made up it's faked it's a

1687
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,960
film set it's a hoax we've got people

1688
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:04,160
now who don't believe that john f

1689
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,680
kennedy was

1690
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:07,440
assassinated wait no he was and we have

1691
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:08,559
people who don't believe we've been to

1692
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:09,760
the moon so

1693
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,480
no

1694
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,079
it needs more than that

1695
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,400
but that buildup of information

1696
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,920
shifts the weight of opinion across

1697
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,440
everybody until eventually you reach

1698
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,440
that critical mass where it stops even

1699
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,680
being a question of is this real or not

1700
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:23,440
it just is another part of the world we

1701
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:25,119
live in

1702
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:26,720
i love that yeah there's this sort of

1703
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,280
momentum that has to take place for i

1704
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,359
think enough public opinion to shift

1705
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:33,039
that's a that's a great

1706
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,400
insight there all right graham let's get

1707
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,319
your take on it yeah you're always going

1708
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,079
to have people who think things are fake

1709
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:40,000
um you can fake anything nowadays the

1710
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,680
deep fakes that are out there even just

1711
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,400
putting my my head or my face on the

1712
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,799
head of charlie watts you know it's

1713
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,440
possible isn't it so any anything's

1714
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:52,000
doable so and they're not the people who

1715
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,440
you're going to have to try and convince

1716
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:54,720
anybody because they're always going to

1717
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,799
believe that it's all um on a sound

1718
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,559
stage somewhere or it's made up on a

1719
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,960
computer or it's just lies i mean look

1720
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,240
the russians at the moment you're all

1721
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,839
the stuff they're coming out with about

1722
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,760
you know oh there's no war crimes we're

1723
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,920
not we're not really invading or we're

1724
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,680
looking at nazis and all the rest of it

1725
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,599
people can if the lie is big enough you

1726
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:13,760
know you can just sell it on or to

1727
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,640
anybody and people will believe it um

1728
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,200
not everybody but enough people will the

1729
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,440
people who we have to try and change

1730
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,359
their minds are the people who either

1731
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,119
aren't interested at the moment for

1732
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:27,680
whatever reason or are sort of floating

1733
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:29,760
you know just waiting for developments

1734
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:31,119
they've got a passing interest but

1735
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,960
that's all it is and something that

1736
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,200
actually will grab their attention like

1737
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,440
this 23 minute video this legend this

1738
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,319
legendary video if it is good as people

1739
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,400
say it is then that might be the thing

1740
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,920
that actually does get a lot of people

1741
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,359
on board and we get to that tipping

1742
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:48,000
point where it's then only a matter of

1743
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,960
time

1744
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,680
when things do actually start developing

1745
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,920
and start being announced because if you

1746
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,000
get that ground [\h__\h] that ground swell

1747
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,319
of opinion to say look you know there's

1748
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,240
something going on we want to know more

1749
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,240
and people start approaching their

1750
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,240
politicians in sufficient number like

1751
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,920
they do on other issues then you might

1752
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,920
get some movement

1753
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,160
not that yeah i think too just like you

1754
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:12,559
jump in uh i think that

1755
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:13,920
there's got to be

1756
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:16,319
enough credible people

1757
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:18,560
surrounding the release of whatever it

1758
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,159
is you know so it's got to come from a a

1759
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,239
government source the providence has to

1760
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,400
be very clear it's got to have folks who

1761
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,560
have seen it back up but what whatever

1762
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:30,560
that happens to be official people not

1763
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:31,759
just within the government but within

1764
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,960
our scientific community that would be

1765
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,960
my take is that you've got enough of a

1766
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,120
kind of uh panel of individuals that

1767
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,120
have credibility in the larger public

1768
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,040
sphere for the rest of the world to go

1769
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,960
okay i guess this is this is it this is

1770
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,880
this is real public opinion says that

1771
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,400
most people already do believe there's

1772
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,239
something there but i think that you

1773
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,560
know that extra bit of legitimacy has to

1774
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:52,239
you know sort of come from a lot of

1775
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,669
um all right let's see vinnie what's

1776
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,960
your take

1777
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:00,640
yeah man i think like let's keep with

1778
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,120
the 23 minute video if we were to see

1779
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,199
that video then we have to assume that

1780
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,480
because it's from a military source that

1781
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,759
we're going to see

1782
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,359
or not necessarily but we'll know that

1783
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,199
there is multiple sensor systems that

1784
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,279
have also picked that object up so if we

1785
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:16,000
get that along with the the video then

1786
01:09:19,829 --> 01:09:17,600
we're in a different discussion you know

1787
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,839
because it's not just a video if it

1788
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:21,199
leaks that's a different story because

1789
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,799
we might not then get the systems but

1790
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,480
we're talking about sources and methods

1791
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,759
here so

1792
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:27,199
it's hard to say there's two ways that

1793
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,480
can go but then you've got to think

1794
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,400
about if the video did drop as a leak as

1795
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,799
a standalone yes there'd be a lot of

1796
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,640
people a lot of naysayers but at the

1797
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,239
same time it will kind of push the

1798
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,239
conversation forward and it might just

1799
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:39,839
force the hand of certain people whether

1800
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,319
it be within military branches or within

1801
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,480
in the intelligence community you know

1802
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,560
it will keep the ball moving forward but

1803
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,400
i like to think that you know we'll get

1804
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,560
that extra sensor system because

1805
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,799
it's all about the data i'm talking

1806
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,080
about what i want to say i want to see

1807
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:55,600
the data that comes with it you know the

1808
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,640
videos are great we all want videos but

1809
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,480
data is where the you know the meat and

1810
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,040
potatoes are absolutely

1811
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,199
dj did you want to jump in on this too

1812
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,600
yeah i i actually uh people don't really

1813
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,520
source me as somebody from aviation but

1814
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,280
i do come from an aviation background

1815
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:13,040
and i i spoke with chris lato right

1816
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,080
after the the video and just to compare

1817
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,400
notes because i saw something that i

1818
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:20,320
thought was anomalous because of the

1819
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,840
acceleration deceleration the 360 degree

1820
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,520
turn that's just not possible with an

1821
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,440
aircraft you'd stall

1822
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,360
if you change speeds in terms of

1823
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,080
decelerating at that level and i i

1824
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:33,760
thought it was anomalous straight away i

1825
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,199
i know mick west threw out there well

1826
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:37,280
what if it wasn't a thousand feet away

1827
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:38,800
what if it was 500 all that kind of

1828
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:42,239
stuff um just changing speeds that

1829
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:43,360
quickly

1830
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,159
positions is just not something that

1831
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,480
that uh aircraft can do and

1832
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,000
there's other things i could get into

1833
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,080
with the orb and the uh but i'm not

1834
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:53,920
going to do that but i thought that was

1835
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,640
anomalous one when i saw it love it

1836
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:57,520
excellent

1837
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:59,120
all right great first uh discussion

1838
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,400
there so davey i'm going to give it to

1839
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,120
you to offer up your topic can can i

1840
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,719
just say that

1841
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:07,120
in in summary that we basically just

1842
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:08,719
argued that it's not worth paying

1843
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,800
attention to to make west

1844
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,080
i mean

1845
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:16,560
the important thing here is absolutely

1846
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,520
that

1847
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,960
people need to understand what they're

1848
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:20,159
looking at

1849
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,840
systems that we're not experts of we

1850
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,520
need to listen to people like dj and to

1851
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,199
people like chris who use these things

1852
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:31,600
on a daily basis um and to bring it back

1853
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,719
to because we're you know where the

1854
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:34,800
stones and it's the uk thing uh there

1855
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:38,320
was a kind of slogan a few years back uh

1856
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,520
that became popular from the uh

1857
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,679
conservatives here and that was that uh

1858
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,560
people had had enough of experts and

1859
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,640
just just so you you know where the uk

1860
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,239
is with this if we were to put a bunch

1861
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:52,320
of experts up people wouldn't listen to

1862
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:53,440
them

1863
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:55,840
former professor at the naval

1864
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:58,480
academy uh his name is tom something

1865
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,920
he's on twitter he wrote a book called

1866
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,440
the death of expertise which i thought

1867
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,800
was very funny

1868
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:04,000
excellent

1869
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:05,840
all right davey

1870
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,920
perfect so my question is two-part

1871
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,719
we hear stories of how over the years

1872
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,320
this thing that we're talking about has

1873
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:16,080
changed shape changed form we get

1874
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:17,679
different pieces of evidence so we go

1875
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,080
back to the airships we go back to the

1876
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,560
space brothers we go back to the greys

1877
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,000
and the abduction phenomenon we talk

1878
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,719
about landing traces and it seems to

1879
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:29,040
evolve so my question is first of all do

1880
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:30,320
we think

1881
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,920
that there is an evolution of the

1882
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:34,239
phenomenon and if so

1883
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:37,440
what's driving that

1884
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,320
we got another tesco coupon to send out

1885
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:42,719
so far we got dan we got vinnie we got

1886
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,760
granite we got coupons here

1887
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,520
plastic four and four coupons all right

1888
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:49,199
i'm gonna get gonna get it back to you

1889
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,239
dan for a first take on this

1890
01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:54,159
yeah man for sure i genuinely was on

1891
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:55,060
mute then

1892
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:58,560
[Laughter]

1893
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,120
um yeah i i think that's

1894
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,960
it's really interesting seeing that it's

1895
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,199
changed form and just uh i'm going to

1896
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,000
speculate here but i i think if there

1897
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,149
if there was kind of a control system

1898
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:13,760
that was there to kind of coax us

1899
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,239
forward uh using a kind of engine of

1900
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,199
innovation or technology then it makes

1901
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,320
sense to me that that control system as

1902
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,040
we developed it would change along with

1903
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,120
us to kind of give us the next strip

1904
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:29,040
feed of paradigm shifts

1905
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,719
so

1906
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:32,159
even though i mean you know i can't i

1907
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,520
can't prove that that that's what's

1908
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,679
happening but i feel like on one side of

1909
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,600
the coin it could be a singularity

1910
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,480
drawing at us towards it in the future

1911
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,040
um you know reaching back across kind of

1912
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,679
tiny why me uh a ways

1913
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,600
but on the other hand we could be

1914
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,120
looking at

1915
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:51,920
just a lot of different uh i guess

1916
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,199
species would be the word um or if we're

1917
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,360
looking at time travelers you know

1918
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,120
kind of time tourists they could be

1919
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,960
coming from different points in the

1920
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,560
future

1921
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,480
it's really interesting that they kind

1922
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,320
of change in shape

1923
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,719
for that reason and and this is where

1924
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,320
the consciousness connection comes into

1925
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,159
it as to whether they change in shape

1926
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:14,320
based on the person that's perceiving

1927
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,040
them

1928
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,360
i i think it's really interesting that

1929
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,120
even though we

1930
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,000
we put a lot of religious connotations

1931
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,080
onto these experiences but i wonder if

1932
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,960
those that religious kind of framework

1933
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,880
that those people have to view the event

1934
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,080
through

1935
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,480
influences the actual event itself who's

1936
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,640
those people when you say that uh

1937
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,280
witnesses experience okay okay yeah yeah

1938
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:39,199
that's all you can do you can only look

1939
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,640
at it as a human you don't have another

1940
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,400
way to look at it

1941
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:44,719
yeah and and uh and nathan talks about

1942
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,000
this

1943
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:48,480
at length that what what we're a product

1944
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,440
of

1945
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,960
yeah yeah

1946
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:53,040
all right great great answer

1947
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,640
stones are totally bringing it maybe

1948
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,880
it's just a case of what people perceive

1949
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:58,480
things as and they're more comfortable

1950
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,199
in terms of describing so you know if

1951
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,199
you go back to ancient times and the

1952
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,800
alleged reports of

1953
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,719
flaming shields

1954
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,880
that's what people would would sort of

1955
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:10,480
perceive things to be shield like

1956
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:11,760
because they were familiar with those

1957
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,800
things equally the airships of the 1890s

1958
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,640
again that was that was they were known

1959
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:18,239
that these things were being developed

1960
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,520
they weren't as good as the ones that

1961
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,600
were being seen and reported in america

1962
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,280
but they were still around it was still

1963
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,120
a concept that was known and then you

1964
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,280
look at the ghost aircraft of the 20s

1965
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:29,760
and the 30s against the same sort of

1966
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,360
thing even though these things were

1967
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,920
flying in snowstorms and in fog

1968
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:35,040
you know

1969
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,080
weather conditions that no

1970
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,760
self-respecting pilot at the time would

1971
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:40,159
be seen dead in now let alone alive in

1972
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,360
um you know

1973
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,360
they would actually they were seen and

1974
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:44,880
they were they were

1975
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,360
firing searchlights down the ground in

1976
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,600
but yet they were familiar if slightly

1977
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,400
removed now you then get a bit further

1978
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,000
on and you get the foo fighters then you

1979
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,000
get to the the flying discs and i think

1980
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,120
it it just seems to jump in terms of the

1981
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:01,679
distance between what was perceived and

1982
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,159
what was the reality um on the ground in

1983
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,080
terms of our technology in terms of

1984
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,159
mankind's technology and i think i'm not

1985
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,320
entirely sure why that kind of jump

1986
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,239
appeared because rather than having

1987
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,480
things which are much much more familiar

1988
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,840
then you've got things which which are

1989
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,600
quite outlandish so you've got the balls

1990
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,239
of light um in terms of the foo fighters

1991
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:22,080
and the other associated things that

1992
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:23,840
were seen and then you have the flying

1993
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:26,239
discs in 47 onwards but then you get

1994
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:30,400
black triangles and you know yes okay

1995
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:32,480
people have experimented with delta

1996
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,960
winged aircraft over the years but not

1997
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:36,960
to that degree of you know being able to

1998
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,360
hover motionless um over a scottish

1999
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:41,120
valley silently

2000
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,840
yeah for ten minutes um there's vinnie's

2001
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,440
there there's a there's a nod to vinnie

2002
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,760
there of a diamond-shaped craft hovering

2003
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:49,760
over the scottish highlands for um for

2004
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,199
10 minutes then shooting off into the

2005
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,600
into the ether so um

2006
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,679
you know this seems to be a

2007
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,760
yes okay to a certain point i think i'll

2008
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:59,040
agree with davey

2009
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:00,880
that there's a kind of familiarity to it

2010
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,679
and and dan saying about um you know

2011
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,280
that might be a kind of that pointless

2012
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,880
in the right direction but somewhere

2013
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,159
along the line that program has gone

2014
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,159
awry and i think things are left ahead

2015
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:12,480
too much so now we're seeing things that

2016
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:15,920
um you know defy explanation um in terms

2017
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,560
of people's experiences whereas at one

2018
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,080
time it was yes okay they're just a few

2019
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,920
hours for each maybe a few years ahead

2020
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,199
of our development

2021
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:24,640
but i'm not sure you can say the same

2022
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:29,430
amazing man you guys are absolutely

2023
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,120
killing it and you know graham i i have

2024
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,040
the benefit of having grown up in hudson

2025
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,440
valley and now that this topic is open

2026
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:37,840
for people to talk about and i actually

2027
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,679
have a high school podcast that probably

2028
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:41,120
you guys don't know about but i just

2029
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,400
started

2030
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:44,080
a couple of months ago and it's me and

2031
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,360
my high school classmates and now six or

2032
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:49,679
seven or eight of them have opened up

2033
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:50,560
about

2034
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,320
triangular or boomerang-shaped craft

2035
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,000
that they didn't know the other person

2036
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,120
saw either over indian point or just

2037
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:01,199
crossing the boundaries of our school

2038
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:02,239
district

2039
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:05,040
blows me away i mean so it you know

2040
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,040
they're all saying the same thing but

2041
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:08,480
it's it's a it was a great question

2042
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:10,480
anyway so i'm sorry to turn it back to

2043
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,679
you nathan no that's great yeah let's

2044
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,199
hear from vinnie

2045
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:15,120
uh davey that's a great question as well

2046
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,320
talking about the way shapes have

2047
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:18,080
changed and evolved over time and i

2048
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,280
think it's a bit we're a bit

2049
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:20,960
generalizing here because we have had

2050
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:23,199
things like triangle sightings way back

2051
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:25,120
before the kind of triangle era of the

2052
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,640
80s and 90s

2053
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,480
but i do kind of agree with the kind of

2054
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:31,040
thing that dan said is that it evolves

2055
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,880
as we evolve with the way that we are

2056
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,040
technologically with the airships in the

2057
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,600
late 1800s early 1900s moving through

2058
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,600
into the saucer era and the pop culture

2059
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,920
that exploded around that then into the

2060
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,159
stealth technology black triangles up

2061
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:45,840
until now with tic tacs and that which

2062
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,800
is just advanced technology um so it

2063
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:50,880
does make sense that maybe there is this

2064
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,480
non-human intelligence that is just

2065
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,120
mirroring our evolution as it happens

2066
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:56,880
that's a really huge possibility but

2067
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,920
then it could be related to the

2068
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:59,840
consciousness connection that we're

2069
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,080
you know we're seeing what we have you

2070
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:04,560
know within us subconsciously and things

2071
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:06,880
like that so it's a great point love

2072
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,679
love speculating about it um

2073
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,760
but yeah i mean i'd love to know i i

2074
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,679
don't know is it one intelligence or is

2075
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,920
it multiple you know so many people have

2076
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:17,520
different views on that

2077
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:20,640
um i i lean more towards one

2078
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:21,520
or

2079
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,760
yeah i do i do

2080
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,440
did you mean that in a like a hippie

2081
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:28,000
sense like we're all one anyway like

2082
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,920
what do you mean

2083
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,199
i'll tell you what

2084
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:33,040
one pound of lincoln shear sausage for

2085
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,199
dan right now

2086
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:37,440
now you're talking i want my sausage dj

2087
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,960
wait i shouldn't don't take that out of

2088
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:40,239
context

2089
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:41,360
i i

2090
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,440
no dan unfortunately i wasn't being

2091
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,000
hippie-ish i was being um i just think

2092
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:48,320
that it's one group

2093
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,440
could be one group evolving as we evolve

2094
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:53,520
in what they show us

2095
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,719
you know i'm not saying that there

2096
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:56,480
aren't multiple

2097
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:57,840
intelligences out there that aren't

2098
01:20:01,830 --> 01:20:00,080
related in any way i'm just saying it

2099
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:01,840
just in that when we're looking at that

2100
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,679
evolution of craft and the way that it's

2101
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:05,520
changed and been perceived over the

2102
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,280
decades that that's kind of a leading

2103
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:09,280
hypothesis that's certainly the one that

2104
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:10,480
jumps out of me when you look at

2105
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,840
everything that's on the table in front

2106
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,280
of us at the moment

2107
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,600
that's that's kind of it yeah

2108
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,280
does anyone mind if i ask vinny a

2109
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:19,280
question here please oh put me on the

2110
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,669
of course do it so we're kind of in the

2111
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,400
area right now discussing

2112
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:30,639
how consciousness could influence

2113
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:33,600
a phenomena and and

2114
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,880
it's kind of it's making me think about

2115
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,800
because we went to

2116
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:38,400
burlesque and house and we'd spoke about

2117
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,920
crowley there

2118
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,360
you and i had some

2119
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:43,920
some conversations about

2120
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,480
jack parsons and where the ideas

2121
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,800
came from for him and and i kind of

2122
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,159
wanted to ask you if you think maybe

2123
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,880
there's a connection between

2124
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,800
kind of like where ideas come from and

2125
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:56,880
intuition and the phenomena that might

2126
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,199
be influencing us jesus christ we're

2127
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:01,120
getting heavy now aren't we

2128
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,320
whoo

2129
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:04,400
so wait what is the actual question like

2130
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,800
do i think there's a connection

2131
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,679
but

2132
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:09,520
i guess

2133
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,080
i'll put bluntly d do you think the

2134
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,560
phenomena is feeding could be feeding us

2135
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:15,760
ideas

2136
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:16,560
yeah

2137
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,320
that specifically with crowley and the

2138
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:22,800
magi magic with a k with a j and a you

2139
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:23,920
know that one

2140
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,400
um i think certain people that were into

2141
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:28,320
all that stuff back then we're also

2142
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,880
tapping into like

2143
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,400
something related to the phenomena and

2144
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,840
these are guys at the forefront of

2145
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,760
technological evolution as well you know

2146
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,840
when you look at jpl and all the things

2147
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:40,560
that parsons was associated with and i

2148
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,719
think there is some connection somewhere

2149
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:44,480
you know it seems that a lot of these

2150
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:47,199
people that were at the leading edge of

2151
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,840
you know technological

2152
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,560
evolutions and new things they all had

2153
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:54,880
some kind of insight or involvement with

2154
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:57,440
the occult and then the occult i think

2155
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,199
the more we see in here these days is

2156
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,360
that they're associated under the whole

2157
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,040
umbrella of what the phenomena could

2158
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,520
possibly represent or be a part of so

2159
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,440
yeah again it's all very speculative and

2160
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:09,760
i'm i'm not i'm not a big one for

2161
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,840
speculation because i'm so data driven

2162
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:13,840
but at the same time you know as long as

2163
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,600
people don't take what i'm saying when i

2164
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:17,920
speculate as gospel and that's what i

2165
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,000
believe necessarily then i'm happy

2166
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:22,159
discussing it but i think preface him

2167
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:30,149
i mean why talk about the phenomenon

2168
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,520
unless we're going to speculate because

2169
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,199
we don't know anything

2170
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:34,880
there's so much fun

2171
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,800
yeah i just want to say that having

2172
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,040
davey jump in here this is kind of like

2173
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,880
uh having charlie watts he stopped at

2174
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,880
the chippy before he went back to the

2175
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,199
hotel he got really

2176
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,679
sick and then oh

2177
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,840
keith moon is right across the street at

2178
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,600
the other hotel he's going to sit in

2179
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,600
with us tonight guys so basically the

2180
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:55,520
equivalent you know we lost anna but but

2181
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,960
keith moon is sitting in on the drums

2182
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:59,120
thank you davey yeah thanks david and i

2183
01:23:01,990 --> 01:23:00,400
appreciate it that's a great question

2184
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:02,000
once you have that conversation as well

2185
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:03,440
i think on one of my interviews recently

2186
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:04,639
and i've done so many i can't remember

2187
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,239
which one i think it was my science

2188
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,560
panel with shidargus and hoffman and and

2189
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,239
those guys i think we talked about the

2190
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:12,080
possibility of that evolution of objects

2191
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,760
and stuff so it's great that it came up

2192
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:15,040
because it was just fitting with things

2193
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:17,600
i've been discussing recently so yeah

2194
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,239
and yeah and yeah and i i i just want to

2195
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,719
say an end yet and yet i i believe that

2196
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,400
could that's possible what you that

2197
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:26,719
theory you posited dan but and yet

2198
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:27,760
we have

2199
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,480
photos i've seen photos of tic tac

2200
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:32,560
videos of tic tac

2201
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:34,960
and they have actual sighting out the

2202
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,760
window mark one eyeballs so this is

2203
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:40,080
captured so they couldn't have put that

2204
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:42,000
in my mind they they've actually they've

2205
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,280
captured that yeah but you understand

2206
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:45,520
that everything takes place in your mind

2207
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,270
so there is the evidence would steer

2208
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:57,760
towards it actually looks like that when

2209
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:00,000
you have three four or five different

2210
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,320
interpretations of it so i'm not saying

2211
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:04,159
what he's saying is impossible but i'm

2212
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:06,000
saying it does not necessarily explain

2213
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:07,760
everything is what i'm saying oh for

2214
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,400
sure yeah yeah like i said there's well

2215
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,480
like vinnie said this is a whole bunch

2216
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:14,400
of i don't know and we're spinning the

2217
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:16,239
plates and just talking yeah so what's

2218
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,360
fun

2219
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:19,440
that's why we're here absolutely well

2220
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,719
let's uh let's keep going and if we get

2221
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:22,080
some free time we'll come back on that i

2222
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,880
know that uh that would be a lot of

2223
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:26,880
fun conversation there so next up let's

2224
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:29,600
see will be will be graham

2225
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:32,159
okay um there's a famous saying about

2226
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:33,760
those who forget their history condemned

2227
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:34,880
to repeat it

2228
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:37,760
and then if you listen to the uap

2229
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:40,000
uap hearings of the week you had uh

2230
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,440
ronald miltree who's the one under

2231
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,960
secretary of defense for intelligence

2232
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:44,719
saying you couldn't speak to programs

2233
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:46,239
before blue book

2234
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,159
so

2235
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:50,239
well okay here's a little quick potted

2236
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,239
history lesson in two minutes for you

2237
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:53,679
and then i'll ask about you know whether

2238
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:56,000
it's important that people know

2239
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:57,920
the history of ufology rather than just

2240
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,239
concentrating on the current events uh

2241
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,080
project grudge was the one before bridge

2242
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:04,400
uh blue book but project sign was the

2243
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,280
first one and that was uh established in

2244
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,440
december 1947 but didn't actually take

2245
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:12,159
place until june 48 at july

2246
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,600
january 48.

2247
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,080
it came out with an interim report in

2248
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,480
april 48 of 100 cases which had gone

2249
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:20,400
back to july 47

2250
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:23,840
and it then got canned in december of

2251
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:25,840
that year because they weren't coming up

2252
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:28,159
with anything to explain things plus the

2253
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,840
powers of b thought there was a soviet

2254
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,159
explanation to what was going on so they

2255
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,239
wanted to go down that particular route

2256
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,560
and that's why grudge was uh was was set

2257
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,719
up because they wanted to push the kind

2258
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,400
of investigation in a slightly different

2259
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:42,400
direction they weren't you know sort of

2260
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:44,320
believing that it was something possibly

2261
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,440
extraterrestrial or something exotic um

2262
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,600
so yeah you know we've got bluebook

2263
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:51,120
which did exactly the same thing in the

2264
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:52,480
end you know they went through all this

2265
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,159
rigmarole and then got the point where

2266
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:56,159
it's not worth it we'll just give up uh

2267
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:57,440
we can't see anything you know

2268
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,159
worthwhile here is aim sog this new

2269
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,480
thing that's that they've got going is

2270
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:04,080
it going to be the same

2271
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:05,360
just the same thing are they just going

2272
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:07,600
to do it go through the motions and then

2273
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:10,239
go you know what there's nothing to this

2274
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,760
it's a great question yeah great

2275
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:12,880
question all right so dan we're going to

2276
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,390
so i mean this this is a really

2277
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,480
interesting question graeme because

2278
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:22,800
we're seeing a lot of officials come

2279
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:25,600
into this now and they

2280
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:26,960
they all differ in how much of the

2281
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,199
history they know and everyone in the

2282
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,280
community i guess feels differently as

2283
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:33,280
to which cases they should be familiar

2284
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:34,080
with

2285
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,239
we've seen the wilson documents get

2286
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,320
entered into the record and they're kind

2287
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,840
of

2288
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:40,800
you

2289
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,679
community and the news to

2290
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,600
to even know about those so that was

2291
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:49,280
really encouraging but something that

2292
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,719
i've heard from a lot of people is that

2293
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,639
you a ptf or these hearings are the same

2294
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,800
as blue book and and i think there are

2295
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,560
some important distinctions between the

2296
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,880
two and knowing the history and like

2297
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:00,719
graham said the the reason for the

2298
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:03,360
investigations being done

2299
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,120
if you knew that then you would know

2300
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:07,280
that the current place that we're in is

2301
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,800
we've not been here before this is

2302
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,400
different with this is a whole new

2303
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,400
paradigm i i also see a lot of people

2304
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,639
kind of mixing up the the steven grieled

2305
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:17,120
uh national press club events as proper

2306
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,520
hearings and they they weren't proper

2307
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,520
hearings they didn't mark hearings they

2308
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:23,520
weren't proper hearings it would be

2309
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,199
great if we could get those kind of

2310
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,239
hearings in congress or the house um and

2311
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,679
and i think something like that may be

2312
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,679
ahead of us but

2313
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:34,320
it it's really important for for amsog

2314
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:37,679
to shore up their data and sure if they

2315
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:38,880
don't know about grudge or something

2316
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,920
like that fine but next time we hear

2317
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:44,239
from those guys from montreal ray we we

2318
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,719
need to know that all of the

2319
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,560
the databases that have been established

2320
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,560
and worked before are a part of their

2321
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,400
data pile that they're looking at some

2322
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:54,239
of them are unsolvable just because the

2323
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,080
time has passed and they've kind of lost

2324
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,840
that data now on probably different bits

2325
01:28:00,870 --> 01:28:00,080
of testimony and people have passed away

2326
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:00,880
but

2327
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,920
we should be

2328
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:03,840
familiarizing ourselves with the history

2329
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:07,360
just so we can solve the solvable cases

2330
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:08,800
basically

2331
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:09,760
nice

2332
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,270
davey i

2333
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:17,600
love what you said that dan and i think

2334
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,320
that the weight of that history

2335
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:23,120
will help prevent these hearings from

2336
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,840
being and you know the aio msg office

2337
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:27,040
from being

2338
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,360
what went before

2339
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:31,199
because we still have that legacy we're

2340
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:32,719
still carrying it although we're almost

2341
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:35,199
a generation beyond there i think that

2342
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:38,000
the position we're in now

2343
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:40,159
my heart says it

2344
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,760
could go exactly the same way but my

2345
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,360
head says i think there's enough weight

2346
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,920
behind this for it not to

2347
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,800
so

2348
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:48,320
very similar to what you said there dan

2349
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:48,960
i

2350
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:54,159
cyan and grudge and blue book

2351
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:57,040
simply because they they built

2352
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:58,960
the foundations for this to come from

2353
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,320
and there's enough people who are and

2354
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:02,159
will go say you're not going to do what

2355
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,360
you did to us with those again

2356
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:07,040
fantastic

2357
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:08,960
vinnie

2358
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,360
two-part i've got two two parts i can

2359
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,600
sort of go with this i'm gonna save one

2360
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:15,199
part of it to my point because it kind

2361
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:16,560
of goes into what i want to talk about

2362
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:17,760
which is the

2363
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:20,000
importance of historical data and

2364
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:21,600
knowing your history with regards to the

2365
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,840
ufo subject so i'll talk about things

2366
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:26,159
with regards to aim sog and things like

2367
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,760
that so

2368
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:29,840
going forward with aim sog i hate the

2369
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:30,880
name

2370
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:34,080
um i hated aoi msg that was always a you

2371
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:34,880
know

2372
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,040
a pain to say but i think it depends

2373
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,360
going forward do we are we going to see

2374
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:42,159
dr sean kirkpatrick taking the lead here

2375
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,840
now

2376
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:45,920
i'm not going to say a lot but i have a

2377
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:47,840
source who is very close to that

2378
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:50,400
gentleman i've had conversations dan's

2379
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:52,960
aware of this as well and i think that

2380
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:55,360
this is a guy that if he does lead

2381
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,560
aim sog we're in good hands i say we the

2382
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,800
us you know but i see it as a global

2383
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:02,400
thing because they kind of lead the

2384
01:30:06,310 --> 01:30:04,080
charge i think that that would then go

2385
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:06,320
down the right path you know i know we

2386
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,840
know that under the current status of

2387
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:11,120
what they're allowed to do they can't

2388
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,400
contract out but there's nothing

2389
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:14,159
stopping them from talking to the ufo

2390
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:15,520
community behind the scenes to get

2391
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:17,840
information and hopefully with someone

2392
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,800
like

2393
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,960
dr kirkpatrick then

2394
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:23,040
that might happen you know

2395
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:24,880
um i think that

2396
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:27,120
that could really be a really big push

2397
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:29,679
for for the way that it's studied

2398
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:33,280
through official avenues you know so

2399
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:34,800
yeah i mean we've heard the rumors that

2400
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:36,880
he's going to take over i just i i hope

2401
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,080
that it's true and i hope that we get

2402
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,080
something official soon

2403
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:42,159
uh but to my other point i'll i'll wait

2404
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:45,199
for that for for my topic if that's okay

2405
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:47,760
yeah fantastic feedback it does seem as

2406
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:50,239
if the stigma shifting the fact that

2407
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:52,960
more folks can talk about it now freely

2408
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,040
in addition to the fact that we've got

2409
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:57,600
uh scientists academics

2410
01:31:01,510 --> 01:30:59,280
the public at large

2411
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:01,520
really coming at this subject with a lot

2412
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:02,560
of attention

2413
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,199
and i agree with what others have said

2414
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:07,199
the weight of history is really hard to

2415
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:09,600
ignore at this point um i do think it's

2416
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,320
uh

2417
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,320
it's a little bit i often come back to

2418
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:13,760
this idea and i'd love to get thoughts

2419
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,440
on this too we have some time but the

2420
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:17,600
the theatrical aspect of this entire

2421
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:19,600
journey you know it's often as if to me

2422
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:22,239
it appears as if we are

2423
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:23,679
you know it's a drip drip you know it's

2424
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,080
like hey let's start with this oh yeah

2425
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:28,320
blue book between blue book and a tip

2426
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,679
yeah i don't really know much about it

2427
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:31,760
let's learn about that come along on

2428
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:33,440
this journey of discovery with me

2429
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:34,960
everybody let's learn about these

2430
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:36,960
projects and programs that we knew

2431
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:39,920
nothing about and it allows the public

2432
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,920
and the government to sort of uh

2433
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:43,600
collectively

2434
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:45,520
walk down this path together i think

2435
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:47,360
those of us who study this a lot know

2436
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:50,239
that that's just a bunch of baloney

2437
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,880
or bollocks or whatever but uh

2438
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,639
that's a pretty good british

2439
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:56,320
yeah yeah

2440
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,080
but you know i'd love to get uh general

2441
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,239
thoughts on that too it will come back

2442
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:02,880
on that but to what degree is this

2443
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:04,880
entire process being

2444
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:07,920
somewhat managed or controlled

2445
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:09,840
nathan it would keep some of the egg off

2446
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,520
their face if they did it that way yeah

2447
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,440
exactly exactly yeah i mean i guess

2448
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:15,040
while i'm on screen i'll just jump in i

2449
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:16,639
think that that's a you know it's great

2450
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:19,440
to play it slow and bring it in piece by

2451
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:21,040
piece but eventually congress aren't

2452
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:22,800
going to stand for it they're going to

2453
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,199
still like enough's enough like they

2454
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,360
want the answers let's

2455
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,880
look we realize that a lot of people

2456
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:30,000
that we're talking to especially

2457
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:31,360
moultrie and bray and that they're not

2458
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,719
read in or they certainly aren't

2459
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:34,880
knowledgeable let's just scrap all this

2460
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,880
and get to the get to the point get to

2461
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,719
the people the witnesses

2462
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,800
get the immunity the amnesty whatever

2463
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,400
you want to call it let's get that in

2464
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,480
we've kind of heard this week that it

2465
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:46,080
you know through people like gary nolan

2466
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,199
that it's 18 to 90 written behind the

2467
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:50,800
scenes they're almost ready to put it

2468
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,199
into action start calling the witnesses

2469
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:54,960
we'll see new hearings hopefully whether

2470
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,440
it be two weeks two months

2471
01:33:02,550 --> 01:32:59,520
but it seems like it's happening so

2472
01:33:04,950 --> 01:33:02,560
let's cut the bollocks and

2473
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:04,960
get to it like

2474
01:33:08,950 --> 01:33:07,199
i guess i'm just worried that if you

2475
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:08,960
take the uap out of it you just call it

2476
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:11,600
politics when politicians seem to be

2477
01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:14,239
reinventing the wheel it it tends to be

2478
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:16,639
perceived by the public the taxpayers

2479
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:19,520
and the media as being a waste of time

2480
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:21,040
so therefore you know we're

2481
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,040
knowledgeable about uap history and ufo

2482
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:25,520
history whereas the general public

2483
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,760
necessary aren't necessarily so and

2484
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,440
therefore if it comes down to a question

2485
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:32,159
of pressure from a much bigger slice of

2486
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,400
the population in the media is it going

2487
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:36,000
to be a case of look you've already done

2488
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:37,760
this you've done this how many times

2489
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:39,840
before you've got the same result every

2490
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,360
time but they're not aware of the

2491
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:43,679
nuances involved they're not aware of

2492
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:45,520
the history and it's therefore behold

2493
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:46,639
enough people to try and get that

2494
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:49,040
history out to people uh to the to the

2495
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:51,199
majority of people watching this from

2496
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:53,520
outside otherwise we're just going to be

2497
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:56,080
a group of very insular people debating

2498
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,679
it and getting annoyed when we get the

2499
01:34:00,229 --> 01:33:59,120
same result again

2500
01:34:01,510 --> 01:34:00,239
hey graham

2501
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:01,520
one of the i just want to say one thing

2502
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:02,880
one of the things we have in our favor

2503
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:05,280
is metrics because every one of these

2504
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:08,080
congressional offices has a com shop

2505
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:09,760
with these young staffers that have

2506
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:12,000
interns that are right out of college or

2507
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:14,480
right or are still in college and they

2508
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:16,400
all these topics that they want to know

2509
01:34:20,229 --> 01:34:17,920
about they're going and hitting up

2510
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:20,239
twitter how many hashtag ufo twitter

2511
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,679
things oh we had how many conferences uh

2512
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:25,520
how many how many viewers did they have

2513
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:26,800
on this conference like that they had

2514
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:28,639
this weekend all these things i think

2515
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,960
that we are doing collectively are

2516
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:33,040
adding to the discussion in terms of

2517
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,560
being able to put pressure that it's

2518
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:36,719
politically expedient for them to at

2519
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:38,560
least have a look at it

2520
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:40,719
otherwise rubio and angelibrand wouldn't

2521
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:41,920
be there

2522
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:43,040
that's what i was going to say well you

2523
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,560
know we saw the initial hearings coming

2524
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:46,000
through the house but you know there's

2525
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:47,760
talk of the senate taking over and

2526
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,360
running some some of the the sessions

2527
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:51,280
coming up and now you know talking about

2528
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,960
rubio and gillibrand look at the people

2529
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:54,639
that we've had advising them in the past

2530
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:56,080
especially with the amendments towards

2531
01:35:00,149 --> 01:34:57,760
the end of last year we've got people

2532
01:35:01,910 --> 01:35:00,159
like chris mellon luella zonda who you

2533
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:01,920
know i'm pretty sure they're in constant

2534
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:04,159
communication and advising

2535
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:06,000
they're going to be giving them

2536
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:07,360
good information they're not going to

2537
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:08,960
come in blind they're going to come in

2538
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:11,040
like going come on put pressure on i

2539
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:14,000
think that's a really big big plus point

2540
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,400
that too that but that adds to it

2541
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,159
because it can't just it couldn't just

2542
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,239
be christopher and lou you have to have

2543
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,639
the the data and the metrics to back it

2544
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:24,000
up absolutely they're the they're the

2545
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:25,600
biggest part of it without them you have

2546
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:28,719
nothing but with them plus uh plus all

2547
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:30,639
this activity they're saying okay

2548
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:32,320
there's something there's a there there

2549
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:34,000
that we need to look at

2550
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:35,520
yeah for real

2551
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:36,560
all right well vinnie let's go ahead and

2552
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:38,080
get your topic going

2553
01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:39,040
um

2554
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:40,719
well look this is the british invasion

2555
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,600
so i wanted to kind of keep it british

2556
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:45,280
i wanted to talk about the importance of

2557
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:46,880
what has happened in the past here in

2558
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,040
britain and we're talking about

2559
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:51,360
the the ufo studies in the past you know

2560
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,880
the big thing i think a lot of people

2561
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,040
know about is the 2000 condone report

2562
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:57,360
which was done by ron haddow you know

2563
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,440
that was probably the best report on

2564
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:01,679
ufos probably globally that we've ever

2565
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:03,760
had when we're looking at me you know

2566
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,320
depth and detail but then you know the

2567
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,040
people in di55 that ron had i was a part

2568
01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:11,199
of i've been studying this since the mid

2569
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:14,239
60s you know we hear about sec a s and

2570
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:16,639
the uh secretary of air staff people

2571
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:18,159
like nick pope

2572
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:20,080
but i think it's important to know if

2573
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:21,920
you want to know historically in the uk

2574
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:23,360
especially that the work was done by

2575
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:24,960
di55

2576
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:26,960
and we were having document releases

2577
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,679
right up until mid 2013 and it seems to

2578
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:31,679
have gone dark since then

2579
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:32,480
so

2580
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:33,840
i suppose my last point is that i'll

2581
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,000
speculate that i i firmly believe that

2582
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:38,080
somewhere within defense intelligence in

2583
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,040
the uk

2584
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:41,199
they're still actively looking at this

2585
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:43,040
this subject so it's not really a

2586
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,400
question to put to everyone but it's an

2587
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:46,639
importance of knowing your history here

2588
01:36:50,830 --> 01:36:49,199
in the uk but anywhere in any country so

2589
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:50,840
i guess you know if anyone can talk on

2590
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:53,840
that go for it

2591
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:54,960
damn

2592
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,760
cool

2593
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,199
so when

2594
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,440
when the guys talk about this

2595
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,880
it always makes me think especially

2596
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:02,480
because we met in london the first time

2597
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:03,679
and this is kind of where we started

2598
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:04,719
talking

2599
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,280
it make it takes me back to

2600
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:09,520
thinking about how britain kind of

2601
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,400
taught the us and a lot of other places

2602
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:14,719
spycraft and and how to do all that how

2603
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:16,960
to keep the secret that's right and i

2604
01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:19,760
think about how widespread the crown was

2605
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:22,080
you know how how widespread the british

2606
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,520
were and

2607
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:25,520
there's no way in hell

2608
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:28,080
that the british don't have a long

2609
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:29,760
record of

2610
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:31,040
tracking this

2611
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:33,679
in whatever form it's going to be

2612
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,840
i don't know if people know but within

2613
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:37,840
london there is a separate place called

2614
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,480
the city of london and that place has

2615
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,880
its own laws it has its own finances it

2616
01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:44,880
has its own everything we don't vote for

2617
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:46,840
the person that runs that

2618
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:49,760
um so i think it's worth remembering

2619
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,239
that the uk is kind of it's built on

2620
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:54,480
money money makes the world go round if

2621
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,159
there's going to be somewhere that

2622
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,480
they've been tracking this for years and

2623
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,400
years and years you know decades 70 80

2624
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:02,400
years you know it would make sense to me

2625
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:04,480
that it would be somewhere

2626
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:05,679
that

2627
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,400
looked after global securities and

2628
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,960
things like that so

2629
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,880
i i yeah the the british stuff is very

2630
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,719
important because it doesn't get covered

2631
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:17,199
enough i think that there's there's kind

2632
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:23,430
a a pip pip version of indiana jones

2633
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:29,430
love it

2634
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:35,109
just to bring this

2635
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:36,719
home to what dan said there about being

2636
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:39,440
truly british there are only two com 22

2637
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:41,280
countries on this planet that the uk

2638
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,360
hasn't attempted or successfully invaded

2639
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,040
so when you talk about the scale of the

2640
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:48,639
crown

2641
01:38:53,030 --> 01:38:51,679
absolutely everywhere yeah um

2642
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,040
and

2643
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:54,719
exactly as you said dan

2644
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:56,840
we taught the rest of the world

2645
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:59,920
spycraft the enigma machines were

2646
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:01,840
decoded here

2647
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:03,920
and we didn't tell anybody else we

2648
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:05,679
decoded them and after the second world

2649
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,280
war we sold them

2650
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:09,679
to our allies not having told them we

2651
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,239
decoded them but sold them to our allies

2652
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,000
so that we could monitor our allies

2653
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:16,400
because they still believe they were

2654
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:17,840
encryptable

2655
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:18,719
so

2656
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,880
been a long long history of

2657
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:25,199
investigations into the phenomenon in

2658
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,560
the uk

2659
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:28,320
and i had the pleasure of meeting with

2660
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:30,320
gordon crichton many years ago in the

2661
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:33,040
1990s the former editor of flying saucer

2662
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,080
review

2663
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:36,239
long distinguished career

2664
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:37,760
in the intelligence community around the

2665
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:38,639
world

2666
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,440
despite some of his unusual views um and

2667
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:43,920
he said to me then

2668
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:46,719
we just don't tell anybody

2669
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:48,639
doesn't anybody else get how secrecy

2670
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,480
works

2671
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,800
you can't have freedom of information

2672
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,560
and secrecy it's a contradiction in

2673
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,960
terms i

2674
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:58,480
and as you said that the calm down

2675
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:59,600
report

2676
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:01,760
probably the best governmental official

2677
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:04,320
document ever on the top

2678
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:06,639
it stopped short of saying anything and

2679
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:08,320
again it's really it wasn't to say what

2680
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:10,080
it was its room it was to say is this a

2681
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,760
military threat

2682
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:13,280
yeah and if they don't know they don't

2683
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:16,000
know but yeah i'm convinced that in the

2684
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:18,719
the higher echelons and the hidden

2685
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:20,080
chambers this is something that the

2686
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,840
british government knows more about them

2687
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:23,679
probably anywhere else on the planet

2688
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:26,480
hence their reluctance to talk about it

2689
01:40:31,109 --> 01:40:28,960
with others and we hear lou say some of

2690
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,119
our partners won't talk to us about it

2691
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,080
yeah you're damn right they won't

2692
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,639
and the soe i mean the cia

2693
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:38,639
tracks directly

2694
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,000
back to britain and the soe i mean they

2695
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,719
you know they developed the spycraft and

2696
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,639
basically the self-defense that

2697
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,080
everything that they did basically came

2698
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,560
from the soe in britain so you guys are

2699
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,840
amazing at that

2700
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,440
just like the delta force comes from the

2701
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:55,360
sas so

2702
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:57,040
oh fantastic

2703
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:58,000
graham

2704
01:41:01,669 --> 01:41:00,080
yeah well um the oss which was the

2705
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:01,679
forerunner of the cia they were taught

2706
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,320
by the british all they knew basically

2707
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:06,480
uh during the second world war so that

2708
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:08,480
there's one thing straight away yes we

2709
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,440
invented effectively spycraft um and we

2710
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:13,520
sort of you know taught other countries

2711
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:15,840
especially america how to do this

2712
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,480
um yeah i've got no doubt that

2713
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,480
somewhere there is a small cell of

2714
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,719
intelligence operators looking at what's

2715
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,960
going on you know how widespread in

2716
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:26,880
terms of links with other countries i i

2717
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,440
couldn't say but yes we will have

2718
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,679
something looking at it they even though

2719
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,679
the public mantra is there is nothing of

2720
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:35,600
defense significance and has been

2721
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:38,400
fulfilled and has not been for 50 years

2722
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:41,440
they would be daft not to look at it not

2723
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:43,920
just as the americans are not you know

2724
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:45,920
publicly not entirely taking it

2725
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:47,760
seriously as if yes we know there's a

2726
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:51,040
problem um you know until recently but

2727
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,800
certainly i think they're looking at it

2728
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,639
and going we're not entirely sure what's

2729
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,400
happening but we know there's something

2730
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:59,280
going on and we still need to study it

2731
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,000
or they've cracked it in terms of we

2732
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,159
know what's happening but we just can't

2733
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,760
do anything about it

2734
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,679
and it might be that as well because as

2735
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,600
lou says and other people have said

2736
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:11,199
intelligence agencies around the world

2737
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:12,880
the last thing they want to do is tell

2738
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,280
people that we we can't do anything

2739
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:17,440
about what's happening and you know the

2740
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,520
countries are always very very cagey

2741
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,360
about their lack of

2742
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:23,600
capability in terms of dealing with

2743
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:27,040
threats to the countries concerned so

2744
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:28,480
who knows where

2745
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:30,800
this the uap issue falls on that

2746
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:33,600
particular scale but it would be remiss

2747
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,719
of any country with a developed

2748
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,480
intelligence network and a developed

2749
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:40,560
defense network not to take this

2750
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:42,800
seriously and not to investigate it

2751
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:47,510
yeah get it amen absolutely and i mean

2752
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,760
that that to me is really the the issue

2753
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,600
i think that there's enough knowledge

2754
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:53,280
that

2755
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:55,440
they know what capabilities are but as

2756
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:57,760
you said graham they have no

2757
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:00,480
capability to actually control it uh you

2758
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:01,920
know it's one thing to say hey we're

2759
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,480
being visited by extraterrestrials and

2760
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:06,159
we can give them a passport just like we

2761
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:08,239
can give you one and we can monitor when

2762
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,280
they're coming and going in our

2763
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:11,119
countries it's nothing to say hey

2764
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:12,960
there's interdimensional beings that can

2765
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,960
appear inside your bedroom and we really

2766
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:16,320
don't know when that's going to happen

2767
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:18,480
so sleep tight at night everybody uh

2768
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:19,600
just let us know if you have an

2769
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:21,280
experience here's who you can report it

2770
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:23,920
to i mean that you know it's it's just

2771
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,159
very difficult for countries to control

2772
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:28,960
that the narrative there without in my

2773
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:31,440
opinion some additional

2774
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:32,800
resource

2775
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:34,960
being for example

2776
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:37,440
some group that is a part of whatever

2777
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,840
this phenomenon happens to be coming out

2778
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:41,840
of the shadows and then more

2779
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:44,560
uh publicly working with our world

2780
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,199
governments and saying yeah hey we're we

2781
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:49,600
are from so and so and we can do this

2782
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:50,880
and we're going to share some knowledge

2783
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:53,040
with you and we're going to partner with

2784
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:55,040
you and here's what you can do in these

2785
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:56,960
certain situations the fact that we

2786
01:44:01,510 --> 01:43:59,280
haven't had worldwide disclosure in my

2787
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:01,520
opinion hints very strongly that we're

2788
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:03,119
not at that point yet we're not at that

2789
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:04,480
point where we either either can have

2790
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,840
that kind of collaboration uh or uh you

2791
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:09,920
know maybe that the beings just aren't

2792
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:11,280
they're not never gonna do it maybe

2793
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:12,960
we've never had that kind of interaction

2794
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,960
or relationship with them we just know

2795
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,639
that they can do what they do and we're

2796
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,320
just gonna have to deal with the fact

2797
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:20,480
that they are part of our reality and

2798
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:22,400
there's not much we can do about it okay

2799
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,480
let's come back to that as well nathan

2800
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:26,560
you just wonder how big these groups are

2801
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:28,719
that are looking at it in secret because

2802
01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:31,360
they can't be that big otherwise it

2803
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:33,119
would be known

2804
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,800
you know it's that they've got to be a

2805
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,080
certain size they're going to be a

2806
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:38,480
certain size otherwise the more people

2807
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:40,159
you bring in the less likely it is to be

2808
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,000
able to keep it secret so there can only

2809
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,480
be very very small cells of operators

2810
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:47,040
and intelligence and analysts otherwise

2811
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,880
the the blow the gaff on them straight

2812
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:50,880
away well yeah you're looking at ron

2813
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,040
haddow the author of sorry dj look at

2814
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:55,280
ronaldo the author of the condyne report

2815
01:44:59,030 --> 01:44:56,639
you know his name didn't come out for

2816
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:59,040
years and years after the report was

2817
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:01,360
produced you know there are

2818
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:03,119
a couple of sources who were active in

2819
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:05,280
dr 55 through the 90s leading up to the

2820
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,360
condiment report that have been spoken

2821
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:09,840
to um but they are they they will not

2822
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:11,840
speak they will not come out they you

2823
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:13,760
know they

2824
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:15,920
yeah they're so secretive you know it

2825
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,840
just adds to the point of the secrecy

2826
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:19,600
the funny thing that i find is that they

2827
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:21,920
majorly uh or they seem to go into the

2828
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:24,719
aerospace industry which is always

2829
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,280
raises an eyebrow you know but you're

2830
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:29,040
going on to the kind of a lot of the

2831
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:30,480
points there is if there's one group of

2832
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,480
people that doesn't want to look inept

2833
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:34,480
and would rather stay quiet it's the

2834
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:35,520
british

2835
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:37,199
you know

2836
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:40,159
well i i sent i sent nathan in something

2837
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:41,600
that the air force put out the other day

2838
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,520
i don't know if you watched that but but

2839
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:45,840
as part of that video it said

2840
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:49,600
we dominate the skies we own the skies

2841
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:51,440
now everybody's on this panel today

2842
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:53,280
knows that that's not true

2843
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:54,239
but

2844
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,679
that's what they want you to believe so

2845
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:57,600
if that doesn't answer the question of

2846
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:59,119
why the air force doesn't want to come

2847
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,960
out and talk about this whether we agree

2848
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:02,320
with that or not because we don't agree

2849
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:03,520
with that

2850
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:04,800
that's why

2851
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:07,040
second of all i would say

2852
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:08,880
there if you're looking at a level of

2853
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:12,159
difficulty of telling somebody something

2854
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:14,560
exists or telling him something does not

2855
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:17,520
exist your level of effort

2856
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:20,800
you your line of effort is much larger

2857
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,199
to tell somebody something does exist

2858
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:25,600
and doesn't now here's an example joe

2859
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:27,440
rogan who spent

2860
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:30,239
two freaking hours or more with dave

2861
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:33,520
fravor has on um

2862
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,360
uh what's that guy's name lex friedman

2863
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:37,360
the other day and they talked about the

2864
01:46:41,149 --> 01:46:39,600
whole david fravor and tic tac thing and

2865
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,159
joe went about

2866
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:43,920
systematically trying to take apart

2867
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:46,719
everything that dave fravor told him to

2868
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:49,920
talk about drones it's our technology

2869
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:52,239
it's chinese oh i saw this drone do this

2870
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,400
i saw this chinese drone do that it took

2871
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:56,080
off like this and moved like that and

2872
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:58,719
the reason they do that is because i can

2873
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:01,360
be comfortable when i can do that i

2874
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:03,840
don't want to be out of my comfort zone

2875
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,800
as soon as you tell me i don't know

2876
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:08,639
now i'm upset

2877
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:10,239
now i'm

2878
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:12,320
i'm uncomfortable because i just don't

2879
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:16,320
know right but if i can say i know

2880
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,480
we're good that's probably the chinese

2881
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,719
so what's the whole point of joe rogan

2882
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,320
doing that when he sat there with bob

2883
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,719
lazar sat there with corbell and george

2884
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:26,639
knapp and then sat there with dave

2885
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:29,520
framer who who gave him all the data

2886
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:31,520
that they picked up on this thing and

2887
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:33,040
his eyewitness account for between he

2888
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:35,679
and his wingmen so anyway that's that's

2889
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:38,560
why it's a lot easier to tell people uh

2890
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:42,080
oh area 51 ass there's nothing there

2891
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:43,360
it's funny because you say that because

2892
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:44,960
everyone has always been you know really

2893
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:46,320
pushing for

2894
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,080
why isn't lou alexander going on joe

2895
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:50,080
rogan like i mean yeah we'd love to see

2896
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:51,520
it but you really think joe's going to

2897
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:53,920
get something out of it then

2898
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:56,639
no of course not i mean so yes it would

2899
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,920
look great it'd be great to get the

2900
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:59,920
subject out to a massive

2901
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:01,440
you know group of people just for the

2902
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,679
for the reach that joe rogan has but

2903
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:05,280
people think get him on rogan like we're

2904
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,719
going to suddenly get something new i

2905
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:08,400
mean come on man there's no realistic

2906
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:10,000
thoughts there yeah because he's going

2907
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,440
to sit there and he's going to debate

2908
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:13,920
lou and he's going to go yeah but really

2909
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:15,760
this he's going to do that whole thing

2910
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:16,880
because he's going to play to his

2911
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:19,280
audience like he does now he's

2912
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:20,960
become a totally different

2913
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:22,800
dude in like the last four years so now

2914
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:25,280
i kind of like just pinch assault a more

2915
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:28,800
useful use of lose time would be to

2916
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:32,560
free him of that nda and just get him in

2917
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,119
the senate and

2918
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,960
that that would be the way to go and i

2919
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,960
think we'd start seeing some or hearing

2920
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:40,800
some revelations then

2921
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,880
yeah well maybe we can uh transition the

2922
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:44,159
to the end of the show here with what do

2923
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,159
we think probability wise that is going

2924
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,880
to happen this year

2925
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,119
uh

2926
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,040
i'm i'm i'm going to go

2927
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:55,679
for a solid 77

2928
01:49:02,149 --> 01:48:59,119
i like my repeating numbers and um

2929
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:02,159
yeah i i can see it happening

2930
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:03,760
you look at gillibrand rubio everyone

2931
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,920
like that they they know

2932
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:07,440
who lou is

2933
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,520
they've seen you know there's no debate

2934
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:11,280
over whether he ran a tip or something

2935
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:13,920
like that it's just clear what the the

2936
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:16,159
work he was doing was they all know he's

2937
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:19,360
familiar and if they want to i guess get

2938
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:20,960
to the bottom of it then they're gonna

2939
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:23,840
have to get him on in into testify we we

2940
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,119
should have the ig report soon uh the

2941
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:29,280
inspector general report from the dod

2942
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:31,040
about their handling of uap and their

2943
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:33,520
handling of flu so i'm hoping off the

2944
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:34,880
bat of that

2945
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:36,320
they'll pull him into the hearings give

2946
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:37,199
him

2947
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:39,360
unity and freedom of the shackles and

2948
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:40,159
and

2949
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:41,599
it's go go go

2950
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,760
nice in closed session

2951
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:45,840
yeah i do in open session as well

2952
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:48,159
no i know i'm you're saying what we want

2953
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,199
i'm telling you what i think they're

2954
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:51,360
gonna do oh sure yeah yeah yeah it's not

2955
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,960
gonna be an open session all right

2956
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:54,159
graham what do you think possibility

2957
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,800
there um possibilities heart says 90

2958
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:59,040
percent head says 50

2959
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:00,639
um because i think it's

2960
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,560
it's not entirely you know guaranteed

2961
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:05,360
that um you know they would ask him um

2962
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,960
it might be the fact that the forces in

2963
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:08,320
the background that lou keeps talking

2964
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:11,119
about who who don't want disclosure uh

2965
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,880
might work against it somehow and

2966
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,560
prevent him you know from whatever

2967
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:17,040
reason from being able to to appear who

2968
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:19,119
knows what ramifications might happen if

2969
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:21,360
it's suddenly suggested somewhere that

2970
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,360
yes there's a possibility the team might

2971
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,679
testify or chris mellon might testify et

2972
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,920
cetera et cetera so yeah you know you

2973
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,239
just don't know what what might happen

2974
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:32,239
in the background but yeah i'd love to

2975
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:33,440
say it

2976
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:34,480
nice

2977
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:36,159
davey what do you think

2978
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:39,440
i would absolutely love to see it but

2979
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:42,480
i'm a cynic and i'm i say cynicism born

2980
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,280
of experience of so many years in this

2981
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:48,000
blessed phenomenon that

2982
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:50,000
i can't see it happening this year give

2983
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,360
it next year

2984
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,360
and i would also throw back

2985
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:55,840
would any of his existing commercial

2986
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:57,280
and professional

2987
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:59,280
requirements or um where he's currently

2988
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:00,960
working or might or might not be working

2989
01:51:04,830 --> 01:51:02,639
have any impact on the possibility of

2990
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:04,840
him appearing there

2991
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:06,960
yet yeah that's a good that's a good

2992
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:08,159
point

2993
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:09,599
um and there's a lot you know there's

2994
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:12,159
not as much clarity i guess right now

2995
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:14,880
about what he is doing there uh i think

2996
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,119
there's a lot of uh well-informed

2997
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:19,920
speculation that he is still on the

2998
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:23,520
payroll uh on specifically whose payroll

2999
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:26,639
um i don't think we can uh definitively

3000
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:27,920
say

3001
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:29,840
i mean the dod payroll or a private

3002
01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:30,880
contract

3003
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:33,599
yeah either or um

3004
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:34,400
so

3005
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:36,239
contractor yeah dod no i don't think

3006
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:40,000
yeah i guess we'll see um and so

3007
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,159
you know but to what extent is that is

3008
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:44,560
his current involvement with the topic

3009
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,440
become more publicly discussed you know

3010
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:49,119
in addition to having him come forward

3011
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:50,320
it's one thing to say hey we've got the

3012
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:52,400
former director of atip here testifying

3013
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:54,320
there's nothing to say if the former

3014
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,719
director of atip who is now doing xyz

3015
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,080
for the government do we think that

3016
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,159
that's going to be

3017
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,199
revealed or or not i think as well we

3018
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:05,280
need to you know i appreciate davey's

3019
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:07,280
cynicism because we've had so many years

3020
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,719
of it but we've then again we've never

3021
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,679
seen

3022
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:11,920
the subject pushed into the mainstream

3023
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,199
through the congress or anything like

3024
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:15,360
this ever before so we are in in

3025
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,960
different times and then we've got to

3026
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:18,880
remember that there are two ways it can

3027
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:21,199
go they could work through cover cut

3028
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:23,040
current employees of the government and

3029
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:25,040
the military branches to get testimony

3030
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,239
from them so whether we're talking

3031
01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:28,320
pilots who witness things maybe they'll

3032
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,840
go that route before they get to

3033
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:32,239
ex-employees you know maybe they'll skip

3034
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:33,760
that and they'll subpoena people like

3035
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,400
lou before before long so there's two

3036
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:38,560
directions both kind of positive one

3037
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:40,480
slower than the other yeah i'd like to

3038
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:42,560
see lucid penid you know given immunity

3039
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:44,159
or amnesty whatever it's called and just

3040
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,199
let him

3041
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,880
let it all out so i think we'll see it

3042
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:48,320
this year i think the momentum is going

3043
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:49,840
to keep up i think if the next hearing

3044
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,920
is soon then they'll keep putting them

3045
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:53,440
through the house and the senate maybe

3046
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:55,920
alternate i don't know but

3047
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:56,960
they're going to start assembling the

3048
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:00,320
the next ndaa soon so we should see some

3049
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:03,040
legislation being written some wouldn't

3050
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,880
be wrangled into shape maybe the the

3051
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:06,400
astro name will come back in for the

3052
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:08,239
office i'm hoping so

3053
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:09,920
please um

3054
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,639
so once we get there i i think

3055
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,320
that'll be before christmas and we'll be

3056
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:15,760
looking at something probably signed

3057
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:19,199
over christmas again um and yeah

3058
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,920
we

3059
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:21,520
will hopefully have hearings before that

3060
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:22,719
because i think the hearings could

3061
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:25,119
inform the language that goes into into

3062
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,920
the next half legislation

3063
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:29,040
nice

3064
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:30,320
i think i think

3065
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,320
they were gonna there's gonna be more

3066
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:34,159
that will come out of someone will be

3067
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:36,239
more likely to speak if they are a

3068
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:39,360
not still a member of the military or be

3069
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,800
not a member of the department of

3070
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:43,199
defense on their payroll that will lead

3071
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:45,119
to somebody talking i don't think lou is

3072
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:46,800
one of those people that is on the dod

3073
01:53:52,470 --> 01:53:49,840
payroll uh and that would free him up to

3074
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,480
say a lot more especially with immunity

3075
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,800
from his uh the nda that he signed in

3076
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:56,880
whatever legalese is in there and by the

3077
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:57,599
way

3078
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:00,320
uh frank and i did an episode with uh

3079
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:02,960
lampe who is an attorney that works with

3080
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:05,760
the government uh and yesterday to talk

3081
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:08,400
about what immunity is and so on and

3082
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,560
amnesty is not a legal term but immunity

3083
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,960
is nice i'll check that out good job man

3084
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,560
that's really cool

3085
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:16,560
hey man he said you know you want to

3086
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:18,000
talk about i said well i happen to know

3087
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:20,800
somebody on ufo twitter it's a lawyer so

3088
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:24,080
anyways yeah but uh so yeah we discussed

3089
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,760
that and and i think that would free

3090
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:27,920
people like lou and christopher up to

3091
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,599
talk because they're not

3092
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,360
they don't currently have someone over

3093
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:33,520
top of them that is holding their career

3094
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:36,400
in the balance from the dod

3095
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:37,520
yeah

3096
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:39,599
well guys i hate to uh kind of break

3097
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,840
this off this has been a really amazing

3098
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,560
time this last uh geez almost two hours

3099
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:47,119
um really enjoyed our conversations uh

3100
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:48,960
do we do the accent vote for this group

3101
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:54,629
i don't know how this works

3102
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:56,960
yeah who's got the okay who has the

3103
01:55:01,990 --> 01:54:59,440
coolest accent in this group as voted by

3104
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:05,030
by me no you meaning the uh our british

3105
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:06,480
guests yeah

3106
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:10,239
i'm gonna go i'm gonna go with davey

3107
01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:11,440
dan

3108
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,599
wait can you all see the the quick brown

3109
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:15,360
fox jumped over the fence for me let's

3110
01:55:19,290 --> 01:55:29,350
[Laughter]

3111
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:31,270
oh they're all good um as long as they

3112
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:33,280
don't as long as they're smoggies or or

3113
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:37,589
i don't know what those are but it

3114
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:39,360
sounds bad

3115
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,880
we couldn't get we got nothing

3116
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:42,880
definitive they voted okay in case you

3117
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,560
didn't watch they voted christopher

3118
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,880
sharp on the last one uh everybody

3119
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:49,199
christopher got everybody's vote i think

3120
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:50,560
even smithers

3121
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:55,990
yeah my my vote on this one's got to go

3122
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:57,840
with graham because my grandparents were

3123
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:01,040
from the north east oh yeah my wife my

3124
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,800
wife's from yorkshire so yeah oh well

3125
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:04,560
there we are

3126
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:06,880
i i will just pour out the i think the

3127
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:08,800
star of the show by far is uh

3128
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:20,149
so i can't thank you guys enough it was

3129
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:22,480
an honor to have you guys on again like

3130
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:24,719
i said earlier you know how much i have

3131
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:26,400
an absolute love affair with the uk

3132
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:28,159
everybody knows that nathan i found out

3133
01:56:31,510 --> 01:56:30,159
does as well

3134
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,520
so

3135
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:33,280
oh nathan what do you want to say to the

3136
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:35,520
rolling stone the rolling stones

3137
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:37,520
before they go uh listen guys had a

3138
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:39,840
wonderful time i really want to do this

3139
01:56:44,229 --> 01:56:42,639
again i mean geez it makes me so happy

3140
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:44,239
that we've got this kind of community

3141
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:46,800
and as i was watching things take place

3142
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:48,719
in vernal seeing some of the folks that

3143
01:56:53,030 --> 01:56:51,199
we all see on these content platforms

3144
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:53,040
meeting in person and collaborating

3145
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,960
regardless of what you think about

3146
01:56:57,750 --> 01:56:56,400
whatever they're doing at these these

3147
01:56:59,669 --> 01:56:57,760
symposiums which i think there's some

3148
01:57:01,830 --> 01:56:59,679
good stuff there we can all agree that

3149
01:57:03,430 --> 01:57:01,840
it's really exciting to see these

3150
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:03,440
connections these human connections

3151
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:05,520
happening and i look forward to meeting

3152
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:07,360
some of you guys in person uh over the

3153
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:09,920
next few weeks when i'm in the uk yeah

3154
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:15,990
we're gonna do it and i'm still looking

3155
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:18,960
for uh my date for uh when my simulator

3156
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:20,880
gets delivered to mildenhall which it

3157
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:23,520
looks like is gonna be uh it'll be

3158
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:26,080
delivered in august

3159
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:27,360
then

3160
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:29,199
i'm i'm i'm gonna be there either for

3161
01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:31,280
the on-site acceptance or maybe for the

3162
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:33,360
testing with the crew after it's up and

3163
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:36,000
running probably both but uh but yeah

3164
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:37,679
i'll definitely connect with you guys uh

3165
01:57:41,430 --> 01:57:38,880
when we do and make sure i take

3166
01:57:42,950 --> 01:57:41,440
appropriate leave so uh it was an honor

3167
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:42,960
as far as who won the beatles or the

3168
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:46,239
stones i think we won meaning the show

3169
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:47,199
nation

3170
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:50,480
to get to speak with all of you uh

3171
01:57:55,109 --> 01:57:53,280
come on the audience

3172
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:55,119
that's right yeah that's what i mean i

3173
01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:57,440
mean everybody one who got to who got to

3174
01:58:02,870 --> 01:58:01,280
listen to you uh is just uh uh to have

3175
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:02,880
all of you here because all of you are

3176
01:58:07,750 --> 01:58:05,040
just so bright and so incisive and so

3177
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:07,760
well read on this topic and studied and

3178
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:10,560
uh it is an honor to interact with each

3179
01:58:15,430 --> 01:58:13,520
one of you in the different uh uh

3180
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,440
whether we're on the phone or or on

3181
01:58:19,910 --> 01:58:17,440
twitter and um

3182
01:58:22,229 --> 01:58:19,920
and so on behalf of of nathan and and

3183
01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:22,239
calling all beings thank you so much we

3184
01:58:26,310 --> 01:58:23,920
really appreciate it thank you guys

3185
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,320
thank you brother so for the beatles and

3186
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:29,199
the rolling stones and my brother nathan

3187
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:31,599
this is dj saying peace out

3188
01:58:35,669 --> 01:58:34,000
one love and we'll see you down the road

3189
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:35,679
we're always wondering what's up around

3190
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:37,040
the bend

3191
01:59:01,669 --> 01:58:39,610
peace